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I'm not convinced it is fitness. As the captain (surprisingly) admitted: Our spirit was broken (and to me looks like it still is). When the spirit is broken some players will unconsciously ease back on effort. This spreads to other players and before we know it they drop easy marks, don't run hard enough for teammates, don't chase with intent, find it easier to bomb the ball than try and pinpoint a short kick or HB, don't show care to a struggling teammate etc etc. All of these have been ever present the last 3 weeks and more obvious live at the games. So what looks like lack of fitness could easily be disenchantment and lack of effort.

In the old version if you had an thread open there would be a pop-up to say there were new posts and ask if you wanted to go to the next new post. I found it handy if I had a bunch of threads open or was writing a post to know others had arrived and to refresh the thread. Can live without it 🙂

Pick 10 wasn't my suggestion - it was a previous poster. I hope they both stay.

I agree! I was disgusted that all three went and joked with Maynard.

This is part of Lewis' comment last night: “Because I think at end you’ve got him, who’s clearly disappointed, it means a lot to him, he’s a competitor, he likes to win. And then you’ve got Clayton Oliver — who is also competitive — effectively joking with opposition players at the end of the game.” Is that to be interpreted as Oliver is on his way to Geelong? Which reaction do you prefer after the third thrashing in a row: Petracca who was among out best wearing his heart on his sleeve or Oliver laughing with the opp.?

Are these comments based on facts/inside info or pure speculation. If the latter please do not make it sound like the former. TIA.

I totally get what value statements are and their role. I've written more than enough for a variety of organisations in my working life. Re my post: I acknowledged it as a Value statement albeit, imv, not a very good one and belongs in a Strategic Plan (my words)/Corporate Piece (your words). imv it failed as a motivational statement/motto/mantra if that is the intention.

No one said they did. This thread isn't intended to rehash the reasons for our poor performance. There are more than enough threads on that already. Their job was to implement the FD Review recommendations and this thread is about their current involvement if any. If not, the FD review may never be fully implemented. I would say, that if Crowe is still involved he has a role in player motivation (ie effort and desire).

I'm with you on not needing the mumbo jumbo and consultant speak. However, I do believe a simple two or three word mantra can be very powerful. eg sometime around the changeover of Roos to Goodwin when selflessness/teamwork was required the motto was 'Esprit de corps'.

I get the intent of the "......" statement. It looks the result of a workshop where the management consultant asked "what do we want to stand for and value" who then dutifully writes it on the whiteboard.... It is borderline acceptable in a Strategic Plan but too complex as a motivational mantra if that is the intention. Something simple and inspirational is best to motivate.

Last I read was in December, Shand would work at mfc to help implement the FD Review and mentor in leadership for on and off field FD leaders. Re Ben Crowe. He worked with FD at Bright last year but now ...? But who is the internal project ‘Champion’ of the Review now that Pert is gone? It isn’t Green’s (or the Board’s) job to implement change. An Interim CEO doesn’t usual have a remit for that in a substantive way. The GM, FD and Coach wouldn't have a great incentive to implement changes/take advice from outsiders. My concern is that without an internal 'Champion' to drive change, inertia has set in and (the old) status quo prevails. I had high hopes of their involvement to fixbut sadly I see little improvement for the work Shand and Crowe did and imv we have gone backwards in FD leadership (Shand's remit) and mind set and mindfulness Corwe's remit). Did MFC terminate their involvement or have they quietly 'left the building' for lack of support?

Missed out on coaches votes but has a much deserved Rising Star Nomination. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Maybe, but lets make this thread about acknowledging Harvey as there plenty of threads to express disappointment with others.

Methinks amidst all our angst about losses, Harvey's first game performance has gone under the radar. 26 disposals ( 3rd team best) @ 77% DE 15 contested possessions (team best) 6 clearances (team best) 5 inside 50 (team best) 365 mt gained (5th team best) 10 score involvements (equal team best) 1 goal All in just 66% game time. Imagine the damage he will inflict when he plays a full game. We just experienced our future and it will be worth going to games to watch him play. So just want to draw attention to his stunning debut.

The idea of trading Oliver or Petracca let alone both of them beggars belief! Play the kids! Then what! Ponder this about our list: Players with 100-plus games: 14 Players with less than 50 games: 24 Only 8 players between 50 and 100 games. Who will do the heavy lifting around the midfield, set standards and take the heat while Kozzie, Windsor, Kolt, McVee, Langford, Lindsay etc learn the ropes and mature to the 100-150 game mark. It can't all be left to May, Max, Lever, Viney who will retire or have their own issues staying injury free to play out their contracts. Neither Oliver nor Petracca are at peak match fitness. Oliver had 18 months of not playing or limited in playing to AFL level. Petracca missed half a season, lost 7.5 kgs, moved heaven and earth to get his body back to an AFL level. It will take some time for them to get back to their best and I'm confident both will.

For me it isn't the losses. It is the way we play/lose that worries. We are much better and have much better players than recent results show. The next 5 weeks will tell us where we are really at: Big challenge vs Geelong where my only hope is we play to our ability for 4 quarters. Then 4 winnable games. Even if we don't win them how we play will be the criteria. Two bad losses but I haven't given up hope of playing finals.

That is really neat! Thanks.

Thank you. That is what I feared. It suggests our stoppage method has two issues. Even if 1) we get first touch, which we no longer seem good at 2) we can't get it to someone on the outside. 1) seems partly because Max sadly, is no longer being able to jump well, which is not surprising given his leg and back issues in recent times. And our mids have become too reliant on him and not learnt to shark the opp ruckman whereas the opps shark Max. 2) seems because our mids just bomb it out by foot and they don't seem to handball it out much anymore. Whether it is because they panic or our method doesn't have players on the outside it is difficult to tell. Certainly opps have beaten us on the outside at stoppages for years as 12th in 2021 indicates. I think 1) and 2) is 'the method' Goodwin is referring to that they need to fix. In the past the quality of the players was enough to overcome deficiencies in method. That is no longer the case. I just hope coaches and players sort it out quickly.

Thank you. That is what I feared. It suggests our stoppage method has two issues. Even if 1) we get first touch, which we no longer seem good at 2) we can't get it to someone on the outside. 1) seems partly because Max sadly, is no longer being able to jump well, which is not surprising given his leg and back issues in recent times. And our mids have become too reliant on him and not learnt to shark the opp ruckman whereas the opps shark Max. 2) seems because our mids just bomb it out by foot and they don't seem to handball it out much anymore. Whether it is because they panic or our method doesn't have players on the outside it is difficult to tell. Certainly opps have beaten us on the outside at stoppages for years as 12th in 2021 indicates. I think 1) and 2) is 'the method' Goodwin is referring to that they need to fix. In the past the quality of the players was enough to overcome deficiencies in method. That is no longer the case. I just hope coaches and players sort it out quickly.

I just want to get our method right and get our confidence back. Do that and we avoid a 10 goal loss. Then we can go into the following month of 4 very winnable games: Ess, Freo, Tigers, Eagles before we are tested again vs Hawks, Lions, Swans. We just have to use those 4 games to get our method and basics right. Then que sera sera,.

As Goodwin said yesterday the first thing to fix is 'the method' especially around stoppages. It is up to the coaches to find the best (methods) and up to the players to execute it. Disappointed we didn't do this well enough in the off season but I know we are no where near as bad as we look lately. We will bounce back, maybe not enough to win but enough to stop the 10 goal thrashings. And enough to get some confidence back. A constant video in the change rooms of rnd 23, 2021 should bring back good memories and inspire confidence.

Could someone tell me: which stat shows first touch/possession at stoppage (not necessarily a clearance) which stat shows first possession after the above TIA

Jack continually kicks to the opposition i50. That is far more dangerous if it was from HB especially when our players have started to move forward of the ball to get an overlap chain going. Easy goals for opp. His fwd would play off him all the time. Again easy goals for opp. And who would he be better than: McVee, Bowey, Salem, Windsor, Rivers? The suggestions are like trying to 'hide' him where he does least damage. That is very sad.

Not what the edit of prior posts is for but very funny and not true😉

I don't think people change a quoted poster's words. What they do is highlight particular parts by underline, 'bold' or take irrelevant parts out of the quoted post. To clarify the poster's original post remains as written eg see the orginal BBO post quoted/adjusted. Hope you are keeping well, deeve