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Not sure Turner going changes a lot. But I agree Melksham will go onto the A rookie list. Whether we stay with 36 and 6 or go to 37 and 5 will depend on Brown (see post above this one). Still al lot of options, eh? Will be interesting to watch.

That rule applies to NGA draftees but not F/S. And we don't have a B rookie list spot as AM-W has been given another year as a B rookie. If Brown nominates us and he is bid on we will match the bid with a late pick. If not bid on my guess is he joins us for preseason training and we take him as an A rookie in the SSP draft but I'm not too sure of those rules.

Updated for K Turner delisting and on @Dannyz info that AMW has had a contract extension. I've taken the contract terms for our new recruits from 'footywire' as they are fairly reliable. If anyone gets more up to date info please advise. Billings and McAdam: OOC 2025 Fullarton: OOC 2004...I'm a bit surprised that he came on just a one year contract so one to double check... Now only Melksham uncontracted.

All a bit of fun! Your best gif ever!! Would you care to describe each of those gestures...not sure everyone can translate...

That is mean!! And earnt my first ever 🤮 reaction to a post!!

I'm scared of Jaded too...sometimes....

Can’t let that one pass, Jontee. I feel compelled to defend the honour of my childhood and teenage stomping ground! I haven’t been to Merimbula and its been decades since going to Lakes Entrance. But other than a nice beach they just don’t compare to the Mordi beach precinct at that time. My memories: A real Carnival; a mini Luna Park with a Ghost Train but sans the Big Dipper The ‘Dodgems’ were the best rides!! Always did love driving cars fast! The Shindig dance on Sunday nights. Johhny Farhnam and the Strings Unlimited performed there occasionally. Fishing off the Mordi pier if one was so inclined. Parents buying fresh fish straight from the sea from Mrs Pompeii’s gate at the Mordi Bridge; it was an illicit business I believe. Apparently the gate is still there. Just about the best and cleanest stretch of beach on Port Phillip Bay being north of the Mordi Creek. Trapezing up the Mordi creek to pick blackberries and catch tadpoles. All in all the beach precinct was an idyllic place to spend one’s childhood and teenage years. And in latter years a refuge in times of trouble,

Is that why you didn't use the @ jaded feature... You are probably safe as she rarely ventures into this thread

And that is probably the nicest thing you have ever said about him!!

You are a brave man calling @WalkingCivilWar a smart [censored]. I note she has yet to post a retort. Perhaps you have succeeded a never before achieved feat: making her speechless or she is dreaming up a doozie of a response. Methinks the latter!!

Re my third option: split for a later pick to get Brown and a future pick. That was before Lamb said we would take two picks to the draft. Agree there is not enough room for that option unless upgrading 6 and 11. It all suggests ND42 will be traded out or split at some stage. We will know more in the next few weeks if Brown nominates mfc which he would only do if we agreed to take him at some stage or the ND/Rookie process. Edit: just checked the F/S nomination end date is Oct 31.

The footnotes show the contract term is only assumed at this stage. When the detail becomes available I will update the table.

afaik it is straight move but I think the play needs to be out of contract. Having said that the AFL seems very flexible on 'rules'...

D Turner will be promoted this year and McVee next year. McVee's won't be brought forward to this year unless they rewrite his contract. I can't see the club going to 38 senior players which as you say we haven't for a number of years. I'm sure the club will create enough list spots to accommodate the players it wants drafted and keep, in whichever categories work for all concerned.

My chart is based on the current status of club strategy and players which right now gives 3 list spots: one senior and 2 A rookie. There is no evidence the club would go to 38 senior spots and I think that just won't happen. So, it is a hypothetical that I reckon is not worthy of much more discussion. Perhaps the hypothetical is best in another thread.

Question for folks: If Melksham goes onto the LTI list is it for the whole of 2024 or can he be brought back onto the senior list to play later in the year...?

We won't 'pass' on #42; it is too valuable: it will probably come in a few spots after all the gcs round 2 picks have been used for academy players. If we intend to not use it in a pre draft pick upgrade, it will be cashed in at some stage before or on draft night for a pick for Brown and or a future pick.

Your count of 34 is the same as my count of 35 as I have included Melksham because right now he is on the senior list. My list spot numbers assumes the 2023 mix of 36 senior players and 6 A rookies to total the max allowed of 42. The club can change this mix. I believe the calc of 4 list spots is incorrect as it assumes Melksham is not on any list. Right now he is on the senior list and if not he has to be counted on the A rookie list. Either way we have three list spots available. Re these 4-list spot scenarios: ND6, 11, 42 and Brown with Melksham to RL. ND6, 11, and Brown with Melksham retained. ND1, 42, and Brown with Melksham retained. ND1, 42, extra late pick from Eagles, and Brown with Melksham to RL. These will all result in an increase in the number of senior list spots from 36 to 37 or 38, which I have noted as possibilities in posts above. If those are the scenarios proposed by the media they should read this thread. I think they are wrong! There are 3 list spots right now! As an aside, we will only have 4 if K Turner is delisted but that will only generate an additional A rookie spot. But that decision has not been taken and I think our current list should be the starting point for list spots.

Not sure we can delist a contracted player even if they are rookied but I could be wrong.

Cheers! Yes very tight for spots. Moving Melksham to A rookie list is a bit like robbing 'Peter to pay Paul' as we don't have many A rookie spots. To use ND 6, ND11 and take Brown we need 3 senior spots but currently only have one. Melksham to become an A rookie, giving us two (but just 1 A rookie spot). The only way I see to get that 3rd senior spot is to increase the list from 36 to 37 as I believe we cannot delist a contracted player (but I could be wrong) altho some can retire but that looks unlikely. If we consolidate ND6 and ND11, trade out ND42 and take Brown we will need only 2 senior spots. Interesting days ahead!

#42 won't be 'wasted'. options: used in a pick upgrade traded out for future picks split for a later pick to get Brown and a future pick. See @Turner response below re the rookie option for Brown I believe we can only delist uncontracted players so the only candidate is AM-W

Updated for Billings trade using a future 3rd round pick tied to Melbourne. We still have Sydney's F2 and WBD F3. Nominally we have 1 senior list spot (after the promotion of Turner) which suggests that Melksham will become a rookie. The other option is to have more senior players next year and fewer A rookies but imv this option is unlikely. We hold a full suite of picks in 2024 so can deal our F1.

Thanks, forgot about the F4 rule. Do they have enough late round 6 and 7 picks to upgrade rookies? It is your last line that I was doubting the value of this years trading.

True. They have traded out their round 5 pick. Not sure how many rounds there are. 6 maybe? That pick will come into 60 something but they still seem to have breached the rules this year and next.

How does this happen: "The deals today mean Port Adelaide currently has ZERO picks left in the first five rounds of this year's draft....They have also traded out their future first and future fourth-round picks, meaning they currently hold just two picks for the 2024 draft." Hard to believe the AFL allowed that to happen. It breaches the drafting and the future pick trading rules. They probably want a F4 pick from Ess for Duursma but Dodoro seems determined to not hand any over. But the AFL may force them to hand over a F4 to enable Port to meet the future trading rules. They will be in a power of hurt (excuse the pun) for a few years in trading and drafting. Looks like an all out tilt at a flag next year. Irony is they haven't traded in any real talent....talk about mortgaging the future.