Lucifers Hero

Machiavelli without the finesse, eh!

Not suggesting HWSNBN in this thread & Tippet not chase more $ etc, more that their Manager be smarter in how he manages their club changes and not back them into corners.

If we give pick 4 to Collingwood I will go bananas and my mfc membership goes up in smoke! Neeld has to get over his infatuation with all things Collingwood!! If we trade pick 4 for Dawes/Wellingham (both rejects, despite Buckley's rhetoric, who don't want to come to mfc) I will think that Neeld is recruiting to win games for his next contract and not in the interests of the mfc. We will be plagued with mediocrity for years and years...again!

Quite ironic that they both have the same Manager! First Peter Bulcher very badly advises HWSNBN on the process which made him the least respected player in AFL. Now he is doing it again with Tippet. From the HS the other day: "...When Reid and Trigg did agree to re-contract Tippett in 2009 they also vowed to look more favourably on trade deals once Tippett opted to return to Queensland...A terse long-distance call between Paris and Brisbane - between Trigg and Tippett's manager Peter Blucher - has brought an end to that agreement..." Why does Bulcher let his players lie like there is no tomorrow and get everyone offside! Is it so hard for them to tell the half truth of ...I'll look at my options at the end of the year... ala Brendon Goddard, Gary Ablett etc. We all know it is spin but they don't back themselves into a corner. Bulcher gets his guys (& himself) heaps of money but destroys their credibility in the process!

Denham has stooped to a new low! Can't express my disgust strongly enough at how far he will stoop to make Melbourne look bad - all to fuel his own anti-dees campaign. Like if he says crap about MFC often enough people will believe it on the theory of where there is 'smoke there is fire'. He is a loathsome person

Just can't bring myself to consider Denham a football journalist (someone who is knowledgeable, researches, informed, unbiased); a role I respect a lot. Can't even credit him with being a football reporter (someone who tells it as it is using facts) ie worth listening to in moderation. At very best, at a stretch he would be a football commentator (speaks waffle, waffle, waffle), ie to be totally ignored! If there was a lower level of media classification he would qualify...maybe he just shouldn't be in the media at all! Discredits himself and the good name of journalism!

Apparently last night Channel 7 news said collingwood wanted pick 4 for Dawes and Wellingham? If we do this I will have to rethink my unconditional position quoted above. They are discards for goodness sake! Could help list so would be ok with them coming to MFC but Pick 4: never, never, never!!! With inflated incomes: never, never, never!

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

You have to feel for Travis Boake; re-signed thinking all will be good and now finds the opposite, probably wishes he had waited till coach was actually appointed.

The only reason we are having this discussion about whether he is a top 3/4 pick or a 5 to 8 pick is because we did so badly in 2012. If we had won a few more games we wouldn't have picks 3 & 4, they would be in the 5 to 8 range! So the discussion is rather futile really. Lets just get him, whatever it takes!

Neeld seems to have a bit of a love affair with things Collingwood. Hope he gets over it soon or we will end up with a heap of Collingwwod discards (yes I heard Buckley's protestations about wanted players).

If he goes into the PSD he will be a Demon unless GWS take him with pick 1. GC have pick 2 and we have pick 3. (Unless everyone blinks ala Luke Ball and lets him go thru the PSD to the club of his choice). Fair chance a trade will happen with Demons if we can come up with the goods.

This part was music to my ears! Good to hear we aren't going to buy short-term gains. Sanity prevails at MFC. Thanks for info.

I'm glad someone understood!

Howe, Blease, Trengove, Grimes, Watts, Jones

The half he doesn't make up come from trawling club forums and then putting a 'gold pass' lock on them! Truly poor form! HUN journos couldn't write a feature piece or do research if their lives depended on it.

bb59 you have a weird sense of humour but I like it!

Ok. Ok. I'm guessing its the day that we get Jack V!!

Such a tease!

Oh No! Not another 'poisoned chalice'! First theBluey B & F, now the MOTY!!

Except the temper trap guys didn't wear their dees gear on stage at half time

Bb59, can you please tell me what the count down is!!!!

No only that, they have lost 2 of the best coaches in AFL (Roos & Lyons) and their fitness guru (Dave Misson) since 2005. Awesome perfomance for a Club in any sporting code. This Club has earnt the right to demand RESPECT. Not that they would they are very humble. Didn't think I would feel like this but will be barracking for the swannies/bloods next Sat.

This triggered really mixed reactions...mainly sadness. But on the bright side RDB is home again where he belongs just waiting for the 13th which we hope isn't too far away - guessing 3 to 5 years...well wishing and hoping that...ah, there's that touch of saddness again or wistful longing...

This has set me thinking about how much control the coach (of any team) has/should have over drafting, delistings etc. Clearly the coach has a role to specify needs etc. My recollection is that List Managers were introduced to protect against a coach making short-term decisions that are in his (contract) interest rather than the Club's future interest. I am an unabashed Neeld fan and believe he is planning for the long haul. However, reading DL threads I am beginning to wonder whether in practice, the MFC has abdicated its List Management to the coach?