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Totally agree, it will be endeavour that counts. A real test for us as we will have an almost new forward line for game 1. Dawes out, Frawley gone, Hogan (I hope) first game, Garlett new. Others who played forward weren't permanently there. Will be interested to hear Saty and others training reports to know how our forward line is shaping up. Given the new forward line, if we win round 1 it will be a fab result for us. Being a game on a Sat afternoon @ the G will hopefully bring all the Dee's supporters out in force, especially if Hogan lines up. A game really worth going to

Because we will probably have trouble paying the minimum sal cap Jones won't need to accept less to land a big fish...we have to pay it someone, can't think of anyone else who we should pay it to in 2015...front end his contract...

Imagine our club if we can't sign Jones: unlikely to get FA; MFCSS goes off the richter scale; player morale goes down; struggle to win games; members stay away/drop off further. While he is not a 'game changing superstar' of the game he the superstar of our team and he is a must keep player. He can almost name his price because his value cannot be measured in $. We will probably struggle to pay the min sal cap in 2015 and if any player deserves a premium it is Jones. I can't see any reason to not use the sal cap available in 2015 to not reward Jones then taper it as my post above suggests. He seems a fair person and to put his salary in context re-read WJ's post above. He will not hold the club to ransom.

From another thread posted on Saturday in response to potential sal cap available for an FA: Savings: - Clark $600K - Frawley $350K (because his contract had been front ended). - Delisted players $1.6m (8*$200K) - Savings from other front ended contracts eg Dawes/Trengrove but these probably offset by renewed contracts eg Dunn/McDonald Savings of approx $2.5m Cost of new players Frost $250K), Lumumba ($450K) , Garlett ($350K) = approx $1m; Cost of new draftees: $500K. Total New Costs approx: $1.5m Other variations: AFL allow pay't up to 105% of cap if offset in other years; sal cap will go up for 'inflation'; savings from contracted delisted players (if any) On the basis of this 'back-of-the-envelope' calc at least $1m for an FA (front ended so that it tapers off when our young players need to be paid more) Oh, forgot an additional cost: Big increase to N Jones when he signs new long-term contract but I would hope his is front ended into 2015.

I would have thought Tom Hawkins would be equal no 1 on that list along side Danger Hawkins has 3 premiership medals...he may now want $$$$. Will cost Geelong a pretty penny to keep him...Tommy contract has snuck under the radar so far In the wake of the Boyd deal every football manager in the country is redoing its sums for salary cap problems...a rude awakening for some. To some extent we are fortunate that we haven't had any stars commanding big $. For mine, Hawkins is the one to watch!

Best guess: Yr 1 - $1.250m Yr 2 - $750K Yr 3 - $750K Yr 4 - $600K Yr 5 - $250K So $3.6m over 5 years. Averages @ $840K over 4 years and @ $720 over 5 years so may not be enough. Scaling helps us and him. Pay big chunk next year before our star FA arrives then taper off for when our home grown stars need more dough He will be almost 33 at end of year 5. He will become what we all want: a one-club player...an increasing rare breed...

He missed the point that the receiving club gets the FA for free: Sydney gave up zip for Buddy. Same for Carlton/Thomas, Hawthorn/Frawley. No draft picks no players given up! This is the problem with AFL FA. Gill just chose to conveniently overlook this fundamental flaw!

I suggest working backwards (with a bit of guesswork): Savings: - Clark $600K - Frawley $350K (because his contract had been front ended). - Delisted players $1.6m (8*$200K) - Savings from other front ended contracts eg Dawes/Trengrove but these probably offset by renewed contracts eg Dunn/McDonald Savings of approx $2.5m Cost of new players Frost $250K), Lumumba ($450K) , Garlett ($350K) = approx $1m; Cost of new draftees: $500K. Total New Costs approx: $1.5m Other variations: AFL allow pay't up to 105% of cap if offset in other years; sal cap will go up for 'inflation'; savings from contracted delisted players (if any) On the basis of this 'back-of-the-envelope' calc at least $1m for an FA (front ended so that it tapers off when our young players need to be paid more) Oh, forgot an additional cost: Big increase to N Jones when he signs new long-term contract but I would hope his is front ended into 2015. Hope this helps your thinking! ps couldn't open HS article so can't comment on it

...you mean the cuban smoking, bejewelled sth american drug lord!!!

Of the 2015 players approx: 12 didn't play in the infamous '186' ie not scarred by that traumatic day. 13 are Roos recruits ie never 'scarrred' by Neeld or '186' approx 6-8 had only 5 months with Neeld Of those who endured both the186/Neeld trauma...Dunn, N Jones, Mc Donald seem to have survived ok. So approx 30 players will be 'unscarred by the past'. Leaves about 10 'problem-children' I tip Roos to fix the mental scars, drop the players he 'can't fix', have us playing AFL standard footy and winning this years 'winnable' games. 6-8 wins. Not fussed about ladder position.

If we don't get one in the draft I think a ruckman is needed to replace Jamar/add depth...will wait to see list of DFA's before picking a prospect Roos' specialty...getting big men when they are ready to go but not at too high a price!

I had thought Lever but having seen Frost video I don't know if we need 2 new big defenders. Unless Lever can also play forward or pinch hit in ruck I would go another midfielder. Every chance Petracca/Brayshaw for 2 and 3

The main list lodgements are yet to come...those names may have lots more...just too early to talk DFA's

We wont know DFA's are until the List Lodgements are in.

If there is a delisted player, can we not take them as a DFA before the Draft or PSD or nicks? A DFA can nominate their club so if there is a delisted play we have our eye on we don't need to use a Draft or PSD pick... ...long way to go before PSD

It was a bluff (they want Membrey)...we fell for it!!

Based on Pick 'Cost':- Stretch = 8 out of 10 Garlett = 7 out of 10 Mitch = 2 out of 10 Lumumba = 6 out of 10 Frost = 2 out of 10 Overall = 5 out of 10 No A or A+ player = a minus No player traded out = a big minus Draft, 2, 3, 43, etc etc = TBA

Welcolm Sam but Booooooooooooooooooo to the trade!

When Jack W plays football... ...I hate myself for that answer because I have a lot of time for Jack...but it seemed the answer you may be fishing for...

Sorry to be honest, but that is one of the silliest comments of the trade period!

If we want Lever we need to get 4 plus a v good player from GWS for our 3 (+/- steak knives) otherwise Coll will probably take Lever with 5.

Hopefully we package a better deal for them than the Saints

That is exactly why Roos doesn't take big guys in drafts.

TBH, if we get good enough to have a few Fri night games against good Vic sides I don't care if we lose QB. $ wise 3 Fri night > 1 QB game. Would rather have Anzac Eve vs Tiges instead - has historical significance for both teams. Happy to lose QB just to stop Eddie crowing about how generous he is and that it is our grand final. Tired of being looked down upon and seen to be living on hnad-outs.

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