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A trivial question: How should we interpret the 'Laughing/Ha Ha' reaction icon? The Old and new software don't credit it as a +1 in the 'Community Reputation'. I've noticed that most of the time posters use it as a +'ve as they like the humour rather than a -'ve 'ha ha, that is sarcastic' type response. I'm sure the funny people don't care whether they get credit but should I change to using 'Like' rather than 'Ha Ha' in acknowledging witty posts?

Tom Green had an excellent game last night but as he has been nominated already there is an excellent chance Rivers will get the nod this week. Not just for his overall game but the composure and quick thinking he showed to kick the critical goal that gave us a lead we could defend to win the game.

Fabulous wit!

Our finals pathways: Melbourne has a number of options of how to play finals from here - all reliant on them beating the Bombers. - If the Saints lose to the Giants, and if it’s a big enough loss to impact the percentage gap, the Demons should make it; - If the Bulldogs lose at least once, the Demons should make it; - If the Magpies lose twice, the Demons should make it. top-eight-race-ladder-predictor

Adelaide tanked! They rested players and iirc they made some unbelievable decisions during the game to avoid scoring. They had the 'Live Ladder' at the ground so they could see exactly the score they needed to lose to keep us out. They didn't want us in the finals and they wanted a better draft pick (they held our 1st rnd pick). Very different this time. The Deja vu I was referring to was having to sit and wait after messing up our chances to make finals in our own right.

A few days ago I was in the 'must keep Jack' camp. But since it seems he is driving the move to go, which he has every right to do, it suggests the 'bleeds red and blue' we love about him isn't so strong. And maybe I was wrong in thinking he is the 'bellwether' for the team. Last night there was so much genuine enthusiasm by our under 25 brigade says we have a lot to work with. And seeing how May plays and hearing how he has helped Rivers and Weideman with their games says there are other great, or even better role models at the club: May is knowledgeable, tough, committed, disciplined and does the team things. Jack had little time in the midfield last night which was odd given Brayshaw was out. Jack doesn't have another position. With Gus to come back in and Sparrow and Jordon being groomed for midfield roles we have plenty of coverage if he goes. So if Jack goes, I wish him well. If he stays I hope it is on the club's terms.

There in lies the problem. I don't think he can change and it doesn't look like he wants to. After 8 years he still has no right side, doesn't look for options and as you say doesn't do the team things. Finesse? I hate to say it but he is a 'brawn rather than brain' type player. Love his toughness but gee he costs the team in so many ways. Not the least of which is his 'non team first' style of play sets a poor example, especially to younger team mates.

I'm optimistic that Freo can beat the Bulldogs next week. They have developed the 'possession/control' game plan ala Eagles, Cats that works very well vs 'chaos/play on' teams. Freo have been in Cairns for a few weeks so are more acclimatised to the weather. Next round will be nerve ranking, especially if we beat Ess and we have to sit around and wait for the Freo/WBD. Deja vu to 2017; hopefully with a better result. If we make finals we can do some damage in the early rounds by playing the way we played last night.

The center bounce mids set up seemed to be Oliver, Petracca, Melksham and AvB for most of the game. Viney had one clearance suggesting he had little time in the midfield which seems rather odd with Brayshaw out. If my observation is correct were we experimenting, if Viney goes? As it turned out we went very well. Does anyone have access to the 'Centre Bounce Attendance' stat?

Out of interest do you think "making finals' in 2021 would be a sufficient KPI to continue the contract into 2022?

fwiw, a few weeks ago Ross Lyon was asked on FC about coaching GWS (when they were not performing). He said he wasn't interested in coaching 'at the minute'. As Wilson sits on that panel with him there is a fair chance she wasn't guessing about mfc interest in him.

That he is prepared to publicly name Viney suggests he has had at least a warm reception from his Manager and that MFC have been informed. Cook is too smart to come out and blindside a club by publicly naming its Vice-captain.

I thought that was interesting and while it pleased me that there is an 'out' in 2021 it made me wonder what that KPI might be. As the contract was made just after the 2018 prelim the KPI for 2021 (3 years later) can't simply be "making finals". That would imply the club expected the 2018 performance to drop then hover around the middle of the ladder in 2019 and 2020 which would be a surprise. If it was such a mediocre expectation my question of the club would be why extend for 3 years or why not wait to see how 2019 panned out. Common sense says they wouldn't. The 3 year extension means they had higher expectations in 2019/20 which one hopes was built into the contract. On that logic one would expect a 2021 KPI to be winning x finals or reaching the prelim. ie at least what we did in 2018. No one would expect "linear" improvement from 2018 but the same result 3 years later is reasonable. So a KPI for 2021 can't simply be "making finals". Just scraping into finals isn't a sufficiently high KPI to justify a 3 year extension. And tbh if we just scrape into finals or exit quickly that won't be enough to convince me Goodwin should be there in 2022. So hope the 2021 KPI is a high enough bar that non-achievement allows us to exit the contract.

As a woman it is sad that you attack another woman who is just doing her job. You may not like how she goes about it which is your right but the vitriol toward her is unnecessary and not very becoming. Criticise her for sure but there is a more appropriate way to do so. I feel I can speak for the few females who post on this site. The guys are very fair and supportive. Occasionally someone has a cheap shot at me at being a female or makes some gender related remark but always one of the more considered guys steps in to my defence and takes them to task, which I appreciate. It would be easy to say they shouldn't take cheap shots at me but they take cheap shots at each other; its just the way it works. All I can say is give respect and respect is returned.

They've run it like a little fiefdom for years and no-one has challenged them and Pert let it continue by not getting someone outside to do last year's FD review. So no wonder they were surprised. Its about bl. . dy time, I say.

Did anyone else notice this: "Bartlett's accusation that the team had "trashed" the Melbourne jumper,...followed private calls for someone in the club outside of the coach to hold the Demons and the football department to account. Neither Goodwin nor his head of football Josh Mahoney saw it coming". I've been arguing for Mahoney to be held accountable for 2.5 years so not unahppy his accountability has been highlighted. This part might please some on here: "Melbourne have never quite given up on luring Alastair Clarkson back to the club and Ross Lyon remains an active target".

What makes you think we will get a 1st round pick if he goes as an FA?

With you all the way with not wanting Jack to go. If it was handled in the right way Jack losing the co-capt shouldn't still be festering for Jack. His good mate Ollie Wines lost his co-cap at the same time as is about to re contract. Perhaps what is important is why Jack lost the co-cap and if those reasons have been fully worked through with him. I truly hope so.

That a club like Geelong see Jack as a replacement player for Selwood says it all, imv. I see Jack as a bellwether of where our club is at: as the son of a club great, vice captain, heart and soul Dee decides to go what do people think will happen next year when Salem is an RFA, the following year when Petracca and Brayshaw are RFA's and not long after when Oliver and Weideman are RFA's? How long before Rivers, Kozzie and TJ opt to go back to WA? Have no doubt other clubs will be asking questions of all of them. So lets be careful what we wish for and not be so willing to jettison Jack.

Agreed. An impassioned plea by one G.Lyon on SEN: “This is a guy who is not as clean and pure but I talk often about knowing what you are going to get with players which is the number one quality for me. “You know what you are going to get with him every time. It’s heart, it’s soul, it’s commitment, it’s body on the line, it’s ferocious competitiveness, it’s a refusal to concede. “I don’t know what’s going through his mind but I know he’s appreciated, loved, wanted and respected and I’d be shattered if he left from a Melbourne point of view,” he added. “I’ve thought long and hard about it, whether there is some sameness to this midfield, and there is some truth to that but rather than just get rid of some, try and add to it without losing someone of the quality of Jack. Jnr, I'm with you and Garry. A Club just doesn't let players like Jack go. It just doesn't.

In his selections press conf, Goodwin said: Confident of keeping Viney, TMac is a keeper Bennell will be given a new contract brayshaw-to-have-surgery-demons-confident-of-retaining-viney

Thanks to @titan_uranus I've learnt 'Edit' is now in the 3 dots on the top right hand side of your post.

Thanks for all the work. I'm not seeing an 'Edit' option on my posts. I use Firefox if that is of any help.

Above post is a duplicate, sort of. Tried to edit prior post and system created a new post. Now I can't delete or change either. ?

If the AFL doesn't adjust the compensation threshold/formula down offers could easily fall into lower compensation categories as the sal cap is being slashed post covid. Geelong aren't known for paying high $ to get players. Those two things would make it difficult to get a 1st round or end of first round comp pick. Clubs should start lobbying the AFL to change the thresholds.