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Happy to be playing the Lions in Alice. Should have the majority of fans for us rather than the usual WA or SA clubs. Significant 'Home' ground advantage for us. No bye after this game but we play Coll on QB so it would give us at least an 8 day break for recovery.

Double ups: Hawks, Giants, Crows, Geelong, Bulldogs. Geelong and Bulldogs are the only 2020 finalists we play twice. This is a kind fixture.

Coll vs WBD: Friday Night, FTA - AFL and broadcasters wanting to 'cash in' on the Treloar trade debacle. As an aside, not expecting much prime time, FTA exposure. With last year's top 8 teams to accommodate plus the AFL perpetual need to give Carlton and Ess maximum exposure we will be well down the pecking order. We will be in the bottom 8 in the tv stakes at least for the early rounds of the 'moving fixture'. Hopefully we start winning and earn better exposure as each fixture block is date/time scheduled

Their youngsters: Top 10 draft picks: Billings, Clark, King, Coffield. Top 10- 20 draft pick: Gresham, Later picks come good: Steele, Lonie And a variety of promising young players. They compare fairly well with our equivalents. And they have probably done better than us on the mature age recruits. On balance their list looks not too different to ours.

LATEST LIST HERE: 19 November 2021 Update for the Petty and Fritsch contract extensions. The Petty extension is until 2025 when he will be an RFA. At the end of Fritsch's contract in 2026 he will be an FA. No change to our list or draft position since the last update. This has been an amazingly small list turnover, almost all 'forced' changes: Jones and Jetta retired, Vandenberg going on to a new career, Nietschke had a long term injury, Bradtke (I think) had no more years left as a rookie. So only true delisting were one from the senior list (Hore) and two from the rookie list (Lockhart and Declase). A very stable list, one which just won a Premiership!

I don't think their playing stocks are better than ours but their list isn't really bad. Its better than the Hawks. And Pies facilities, financial strength, continuity and stability of sponsors, and membership are so superior to ours it isn't funny.

They are both right. It depends which version of the Coll contract is believed. One version had it at $900/$950 per year for 5 years so the HS is more correct. Another version is $750 in some years and $950 in other years over 5 years so The Age is more correct. I trust The Age to be (a little) less prone to hyperbole for click bait.

He can go with love-child, Buckley whose contract expires next year. No way they will make finals. Coll power brokers can start working on getting Clarkson to the pies. Of all the clubs that might be looking for a new coach next year Coll would be a juicy prospect.

That is really, really poor. I've not been a fan but he deserves public and resounding acknowledgement for his commitment to the club and praise for the professionalism in his work. Hopefully, it was an oversight and it is remedied at the AGM.

Not yet. Subject discussed in this thread.

Found it! From The Age: "In the week before Christmas clubs can nominate a maximum of six players being considered for the SSP to train with them from January 6 when club's senior players return". afl/the-afl-to-have-one-mid-season-rookie-draft

Thanks for noticing. Correct table: This paints quite a different picture - we won't be caught out by a lot of long - term contacts with 28 players (excl rookies) coming out of contract in the next two years. It goes a long way to reducing our player contract risk. While it gives us less leverage over players who may want a trade it also protects us against the TMac scenario where his sal package was to big a hurdle for other clubs to take on.

No order. It is by invitation to train. Player can say aye or nay. Then the club can offer a rookie spot.

Oh, my! Great pick up. Will post a corrected table asap!

Not sure. I'm still trying to find the PSS guidelines again.

A great by-product of this is that AFLW will no longer have the farcical conference system and will go back to a single ladder.

Yes. Just waiting for the dust to settle on the drafting and will start a new '2021 List' thread with all the updated info.

I'm not entirely sure whether it is one or two as there is some confusion about the mix allowed to get to a total of 44 players. There are AFL releases with conflicting info. So we have at least 1 'A' rookie. Could be 2 depending on interpretation of the rules.

Yes. I believe a club can invite up to 6 players to train with them starting January 6. Then clubs have to mid March to decide whether to add them to the list ala, Bennell and Lockhart (pending available list spots). I have a feeling there is a core group of players lots of clubs will be chasing to invite to train. Hopefully we got in early and have our preferred players join us rather than another club. Edit: I can no longer find where I read that 6 players could be invited, so take that part with a grain of salt.

Short and sweet. Only one rookieL Hately by Adelaide. No new Demon.

Thanks od. I looked at the emails from the club and they said 'Registrations' close on Dec 8. No idea if that is significant. There isn't much on the website. I guess it is now too late to ask questions. Staffing levels aside, the fan forum is far too important for the club to not post updates/reminders/question forms on the website rather than makes us trawl thru emails or make phone calls.

I forgot to mention that for that future 1st (and rubbish >60+ picks) they got back two future 3rd picks as well as 4 picks in the 23 to 44 range they used last night. They are now very well set up to cover Daicos plus target other good players in 2021. Their swaps were exceptional.

Hate to say it but Coll recovered from their trade period disasters. They started with picks: 14, 16, 65, 66, 68 of any potential value. Somehow they converted them (and their 2021 1st pick) to picks 17, 19, 23, 30, 31 and 44 (after matched picks). And their draftees included the highly touted Macrae, Henry and Mc Innes. Excellent pick swapping and drafting. They did very, very well.

In his 6 years Goodwin has had 4 experienced senior coaches mentor him or assist him: Two premiership coaches, 1 assistant premiership coach. Has any coach ever had the luxury of such experience? We addressed our small fwd and wingman needs last night. No gaps on the list. Yes, always room for improvement but no gaps. We now have our premiership list. Injuries and covid aside, the things that have held us back in the last few years imv were: a poor/inexperienced coaching panel (in particular the line coaches), sports science, an inconsistent and confusing game plan, list gaps. Three of those 4 are now fixed. The game plan is now the issue. Pert has challenged Goodwin to develop a game plan that suits our list. That is the key to our success and it rests with the coach. A pass mark has to be more than comparison to two under performing years. They set a very low bar. Given we made a prelim in 2018, the improvement in the list, its experience, sports science and coaching panel since has been immense. A 2021 pass mark can only be if we go deep into the finals.

Williams said his initial focus will be on the 1-3 year players. Macca did a very good job with the 2014-2016 recruits. A perfect time for him to arrive for Choco to arrive. Jackson, Kozzie, Rivers, Bowey, Laurie and Rosman are going to love learning from him. We addressed our small fwd and wingman needs last night. No gaps on the list. Yes, always room for improvement but not gaps. We now have our premiership list. Time to make it happen!