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STMJ, surely you've seen since the bye particularly in the last month the players trying to play at a slower tempo and maintain possession a little more. Problem is very hard to change completely mid season what's engrained and when put under heavy pressure they revert back to what they are accustomed to. The fast moving bash crash chais football needs older hardened bodies with several pre seasons under the belt I think we'll see a mix of both as we move forward and the players being capable of adapting to both with more experience at this level

Just a couple of points Stats can be used any way you want and lets not compare apples with oranges none of those lists at Freo, Carlton or the Eagles were anything like our current list Are you taking into account what happened to Carlton end of 2001 for their drop off and the Eagles for 2008. All 3 of those playing groups were coming to an end of a long period of being contenders and time for their lists to be turned over The salary cap fines/penalties on the Blues had a bigger impact and 2008 at the Eagles was when they decided the couldn't sweep things under the carpet any longer. We do not yet have a solid nucleus with 7-10 years under their belt like Cotchin, Rance, Reiwoldt or Martin at this stage.

I thought he was making a nmbid as Demonland's new Village Idiot, he's going to take some beating

and this is what happens when he doesn't use google

But if we turn things around next season, he knew we would and he always backed Goody Just like he knew we'd get flogged yesterday because the players were mentally scarred from the Prelim There are few who trot out statements on here like he does, but when he gets asked a basic football question NFI

Whatever suits your agenda

Pending Viney being cleared, not many changes. I hope those calling for Pruess's inclusion have realised the obvious issues with his mobility. He's a back up for Max and needs to learn his craft and develop a tank in the VFL Out:Pruess, Lockhart although he did a defensive job I think he needs a freshen up In. Smith/Weid, Baker B. Jetta May Hibberd HB. Lever Frost Salem C. Baker Oliver Wagner HF. Hunt Petty Fritsch F. Trac Smith/Weid Lewis R. Gawn Viney Brayshaw I/C. Harmes ANB, Wagner, Jones

6.Clarry 5.Fritsch 4.Salem 3.May 2.Lewis 1.Gus

Be a tough ask against them on the rebound. The result, whilst a win would be nice is secondary to me seeing us give a full 4 quarter effort and play some smart football. I don't want to see us dominate the clearances only to bomb it inside 50 down the throat of McGovern and Barrass. I don't want to see us over handball leading to turnover after turnover and I want to see Clarry, Gus, Viney and Harmes running both ways for 4 quarters Go Dees

I'm not directing my view towards you SMJ. I am one who whilst unaccepting of this seasonholds the view tweaks need to be made and the players need to work harder. I see this year as a reality check. I don't like being labelled as accepting mediocrity and having low standards because I don't want a coach sacked or form the opinion that this aeasn would not have happened under Roos/Jackson

They should have listened to SWYL, apparently he knew we were going to have the season like this as soon as Goodwin spoke after last years Prelim performance. No doubt with that insight he saved himself the extra $'s by not ticking for the guaranteed GF package

Was at the Freo vs Swans game, really poor standard of football by both sides. Game played between the arcs, Zac Jones probably BOG but poor skills, How Sydney didn't get a point at least in the last minute is beyond me. Those necking themselves over us being 17th as it currently sits, these two sides are worse than us, not that there is much consolation in that

Anyone using statistics isn't really getting it either. My eyes tell me we've been awful. Measured is accepting injuries play a part, blaming the entirety of the drop off on injuries is foolish There has been a domino effect by a number of factors starting with the last two months of last year. Talking about previous footy depts is pointless Those who claim Roos as a messiah and desperately calling for him back need to accept he wasn't without fault he chose and anointed Goodwin, he went down the line of recruiting all Bulls over outside run he focussed on defence taking away attacking flair of players I believe we 2 to 3 years away from being regular finals side

Great post TU Well measured and pretty accurate assessment

It's no different to posters labelling those who are measured in their assessments as "accepting mediocrity." Which many of the wrist slashers do when asked a general football question

My youngest played halftime little league for the Dees v Eagles game at Optus. It was my first time walking on the optus surface. Noticeably harder than Subiaco Oval. Perth Ovals are built on sand which compacts hard and drains well, which doesn't allow for water to settle in like it does with mud/muck making it softer underfoot I think it's always going to be an issue at Optus

Are you surprised there are a lot of short sighted people on Demonland It's strange how one can be short sighted but still believe Norm Smith, the 87 Prelim, 186 has some hold over this list. Whilst also having no comprehension of how injuries, interupted programs can effect fitness and subsequently have an impact on skills and confidence. and yet it's the Pies supporters who wear the stupidity stereotype

Maybe Hannan will get to 80 games unless injury prevents him from getting there Pruess has shown improvement in the tank from the start of the year but is #2 to one of the 2 best rucks in the comp. Think Sauce Jacobs behind Kruezar I liked what Spargo showed last season and a few minute cameos this season which despite his size give me some hope for him. He's a good user and has a footy brain

We dealt with boo stadium last season and this season silenced them till they got a late goal giving them hope in the 3rd. I agree Barass, Mcgovern, Hurn from the flag plus Shepherd are a tough ask

and that is pretty much what Dermot was saying

Listened to it in its full context, he was on the money and he was cautious in his approach very much talking about the now, he was glowing in his future expectations of Clarrie and Gus

We dealt with boo stadium last season and this season silenced them till they got a late goal giving them hope in the 3rd. I agree Barass, Mcgovern, Hurn from the flag plus Shepherd are a tough ask

you could have just said PSD your post has to much footy acumen and knowledge for me to provide a response Go away come back in 2 to 3 years when we are consistent Oh wait I hear a choice of a) This club won't survive 2 to 3 more years b) I've waited long enough c) I've heard that all to often from this club, I fork out good money and expect a response from the President or CEO

You are showing a total lack of football understanding. Watch the Hawks final, we were showing signs of fatigue, Gawn was cooked We were effectively playing Elimination finals for the last 6 weeks of the season H&A and finals, you can only stay up for so long until you crash physically and emotionally. Had we managed to finish top 4 and get a double chance I believe things would have been different but that is hindsight I went to the PF expecting to be well beaten I just didn't expect it to transpire the way it did. I expected us to give it a good crack in the first half but for fatigue to set in. The boys had an absolute crack first 5 to 10 mins getting nothing from some forward entries it was an absolute cauldron 60k home crowd very conditions, you could see the boys wilting in the first quarter The fact you fail to acknowledge fatigue was a factor and it was all down to Simpson and Co is laughable

Listen I've bit my tongue for 5 months now but this (like your the club will never move forward till everyone involved with 186 is gone) is ridiculous. You are one of the many who lives in the past moaning about your sad 55 years following the club, let me set you straight this playing group has nothing to do with the past They are not haunted by Norm Smith 186 is nothing to them now, (it would if anything made the Elimination final win a little more enjoyable for Chunk Gawn and anyone else who was on the list) The Neeld years The only legacy the past has on this list is the void caused by poor drafting in between the Danners and Neeld eras The players will be well and truly over the Prelim final loss or did you miss Bakers debut at Optus when we kicked ourselves out of the game. This weeks game has nothing to do with last season BB is somewhat right about being run into the ground at the end of the season but they went for broke and fell short. You roll the dice and this is where we are at, seasoned players get conditioned to that I anticipate the old " You just accept mediocrity" response but you couldn't be further from the truth. mark this down. Until the core of Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes, Weid, Trac, Lever, Spargo, Frost, Baker, Salem, Pruess, Gawn, Hannan, Hore and Petty get a decent spread of between 80-150 games across them and Viney, May, Tmac, Melksham start pushing 150+ we will not see consistent top 4 contention over successive years. Others will come in and out but that is the core moving forward for sustained contention. It's the legacy left because of the recruiting mistakes which left the void