Jaded No More

If Harvey looked like Jennifer Hawkins and wore a bikini while making milkshakes then maybe he could lure Cale home, but unfortunately for him Harvey's milkshakes don't bring all the boys to his yard You would think we are the first club to talk to out of contract players before the end of the year!

Absolutely I include Green in that 80% Yes he's a good player, and yes he's a good leader, but he won't be around for a premiership and he is not so valuable that if we lost him and gained a top player for the future we'd struggle. For goodness sake, he is not an A grade footballer, he is a loose defender who sometimes plays forward, hardly irreplaceable. And for all of his leadership attributes, Green was not put in the leadership group at the start of the year, so we'd manage without him. Experience is great, but young talent is better when you're on the bottom of the ladder. And yes I want him to stay, but if we get offered pick 25 or lower I would take that without hesitation.

Because Bruce aside, he has the greatest market value. By the way I would trade Bruce well ahead of Green, as IMO we would get more for Bruce and the loss to our team would be less.

Are you serious? I would trade 80% of our list for a top-5 pick. In what is going to be the last draft for a while where we can get early picks, I would sign that deal in a second. Unfortunately, nobody will give us a top-5 pick... not even for Davey or McLean, not a chance. It would be irresponsible of us to get to a situation where Green can walk for nothing, but I doubt it would get to that point. However, I do NOT want the club to make the same mistake it has made in the past, letting players dictate the terms and end up with long-term contracts for players who are virtually useless. So while Green is a very good player and leader, and has 3 or 4 good seasons in him yet, if he isn't happy with what we are willing to give him, we'll find a suitable trade and off he goes. We have to think long-term aswell. With salary cap reductions and a list that's likely to mature together, we have to make room for future contract negotiations or we leave ourselves open to losing seriously good players.

Nothing was mentioned on Ch.10 sports report. And you'd be happy to know Jamar does not have a case to answer for standing still while a player head- butted his stomach

Maric is just so smart, and his ball use is first rate. Not sure why the negative comments. As for Martin, he is simply phenomenal. To come from his background, having had so little time to adapt to AFL and be thrown into a bottom-team's defence is bloody hard. He has handled it like a champ... cool, calm and collected. Warnock down back was also terrific by the way.

In hindsight it's a good thing we got rid of him before he lost the plot. Who did we get with that pick btw? Watching Scotty Thompson still breaks my heart... the superstar we almost had.

Why can't we let Jamar ruck the whole game on his own? White did it for 10 seasons, and we're hardly playing for finals here. As far as I'm concerned, no other available ruckman on our list deserves a game. Bring in Petterd to replace PJ and we'd be miles better off than having a disinterested White or a seriously poor Meesen. If worse comes to worse and Jamar goes down, Martin can have a short stint in the ruck.

No love for Warnock? Thought he did a superb job on Lynch.

Fine, 99% sure. West Coast are tanking harder than us, simple as that.

For the first time this year I am 100% confident of a victory. Strange feeling.

Didn't Bode get elevated off the rookie list at the end of last year, giving him an automatic 2 year contract, meaning he still has a year left? Not that we can't pay him out (doubt he'd be making much) and send him on his way... can we give Meesen some hot dogs and do the same?

I want Brisbane to win, too bad that won't happen, but as long as Hawthorn don't win it I'm not fussed. I'll be living in Geelong over the last two weeks of September for work, which I'm definitely not looking forward to (mainly because I have to spend time there ).

And there really can't be a better reason to bring a child into the world than to stop oneself from being a tool

Will definitely be there (hopefully not so sick this time), and will probably be bringing an extra as my uncle is arriving from overseas tomorrow and I'd like to take him to an AFL match while he's here. So 16,003 at least

Just as long as when Jamar comes in to replace PJ he isn't given 2nd ruck duties. He is our first ruckman at the moment, and that shouldn't change if White is there instead of PJ.

As usual, grand-standing with little substance. By the way, if you really can't stand people criticising Bruce, utilize the 'ignore' function or stop reading this forum because I can tell you that for as long as this forum exists, players will get criticised.

I have never once personally attacked Bruce, or anyone else who plays for this club. When talking about players post-match I only mention those who I believe need to be mentioned. As our CAPTAIN Bruce has as much, if not more of the spotlight on him each week and as one of the few remaining senior players it is up to him to show the way. Sadly, he has been disappointing on the whole. You can deny that all you want, you can call me a Bruce basher, an abuser of players, it still won't change anything. Perhaps it is time to get off the high horse and let people express their opinions so long as they are not personal or offensive, because you 'post stalking' anyone who has an opinion about Bruce is really becoming old.

Because the last time we won at AAMI Stadium the Germans were invading Poland.

I don't buy the injury excuse, as Bruce's disposal has been poor for a number of seasons now. Nobody cared that Miller was battling injury last season when he was playing badly, and nor should they. If you're out there, you're fair game. There is NEVER any need to personally attack a player, and if anyone does that they are no longer permitted to post on Demonland. However, there is a group of supporters on here who for better or worse support Bruce, and that is absolutely their right. Those of us who don't fall into that category, get attacked the second we dare raise the issue that Bruce can't hit a target consistently, makes poor decisions with the ball and can go for quarters at a time without making any serious impact. These are his deficiencies, and they have nothing to do with Bruce as a person or a human being, they are purely football related.

IMO the ability is still there, but the desire is gone. Maybe I'm wrong, but when a player doesn't go in for the tackle, doesn't run those extra few steps and doesn't chase, but basically stands still when the ball is not in close vicinity, they just don't care anymore. That doesn't mean they don't care about the club, it simply means they are tired of playing the game at the highest level and that the motivation to keep going is no longer there. Knowing you have 3 games left (if that) is certainly not helping the situation. As I said, I admire White for everything he has done for the club (through some horrific injuries) and it saddens me to see him leave the game on such a poor note.

Can someone YouTube PJ's goal for those of us who had to go home and three-quarter time to die a slow and painful death (which may or may not have been caused by the performance of the MFC)?

Agreed. Since when has it become unacceptable to pass criticism on Bruce? Why is it ok to call Dunn a stupid player, Bell crap, Sylvia lazy, Newton a waste of talent, but if you say one bad thing about Bruce you are automatically a Bruce hater? Get your heads out of the sand, Bruce is in the twilight of what has been a fairly good career. His disposal and decision making is poor, his on-field leadership from the stands is uninspiring (could be a completely different case amongst the playing group), but his endurance and versatility are allowing him to maintain reasonable enough form to stay in the side. He is not however our best player, he is not having a great season and he is NOT above criticism. David Neitz, pre- retirement, was being called rubber-chest by some Melbourne fans. If it's good enough for Neita to cop it, a champion of the MFC, it's good enough for Bruce (winner of 0 B&Fs).

Indeed. Some people may be obsessed with their own thoughts of how a game of football should be played, but we just don't have the cattle to bomb it long. Wheatley does, and turns it over 80% of the time. The way the Cats played last night, with quick handballs was the most effective way of winning in the wet, and has helped them win one (two soon) flags without having a brilliant forward line. Besides, who the hell bombs long to the square against Geelong's backline?? They held us to TWO forward 50 marks the whole match. No idea!

Out: White, Carroll In: Miller (for the love of god bring back a forward target!), Jamar