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Absolutely agree. He is a very good player and we need mids but I am against the mega-deal offer to any one player. Always just one injury from disaster.

Exactly. This is not a fist pumping Hogan extends till 2021 signing but rather one where the 27th best player who can play back, forward and pinch hit in the ruck extends for the minimum time you can for, no doubt, a modest salary. As a supporter it is a signing you think about for two seconds and go "yep, fair enough"

I agree with that list but I reckon you could add Jeffrey Garlett to it. Something good generally happens when he is has the ball (aside from set shots)

Oh my, well that was fun to watch. The goal at 2.08 where he is on the angle, inside the square and his teammates are pointing to the goals made me laugh. What was that, a 70m kick?

You had better make that two. Goodes was an exceptional footballer and has rightly enjoyed the accolades of success but the cheap shots behind play and staging were unbecoming for a player of his talent. A bit like Joel Selwood and the head ducking that will taint his legacy on retirement

Exactly!! It would be indefensible if we picked up one of the tainted 34 only for him to get banned a couple of months later. The other reason I hate this idea is because for the past 2 years I have fervently hoped that everyone involved in that disgraceful cheating program would be given maximum penalties. If we have one playing for us I'm going to have to barrack for him

Given both Jack and Angus Brayshaw were both drafted as mids, were similar draft picks, are a similar height and both have shown leadership potential at a young age, I figured it may be interesting see how their first years compared Jack - 2010 Games 18 Disposals 343, Ave 19 - 9 kicks, 10 handballs Marks 63 Tackles 75 Clearances 44 Goals 8, Assists 3 Angus - 2015 Games 21 Disposals 267, Ave 13 - 8 kicks, 5 handballs Marks 54 Tackles 99 Clearances 37 Goals 5, Assist 17 Given we rightly laud Brayshaw as a future 200 game player and hopefully one of those to help lead us out of mediocrity, it is good to remember just how good Trengove was. It is bizarre to think that if Angus were to follow the same career path as Jack he would be captain of the club in about 18 months time.

The bloke rightly had a mortgage on the coaches award for a few years. Jordie has squeezed every last bit of talent out of a body that really has no right to be playing AFL footy. Whether you want him pulling on the red and blue or not it is impossible not to admire him I like Jordie for the same reasons I liked Simon Godfrey I am a computer philistine so I can't post it here but YouTube Jordie Mckenzie smother or my favourite tackle that makes me laugh, Jordie McKenzie tackle rnd 14 2011 and check out his desperation on tackling Dusty Whenever Jordie walks out of the club for the last time he will be able to do so with his shoulders back and head held high

Someone on here posted a Yarran highlight reel a while back that was breathtaking. The problem with him though is that his good is as good as you'll see but it doesn't happen often or consistently enough. It would come down to what you would have to pay for him and given Carlton has been watching its discards tearing up the comp lately you would imagine he wouldn't come cheap

And I'm not sure if Bernie knew Adelaide we're going to bundle him off to Melbourne

You are dead right poita but wouldn't that have been a very weird few words to write just a couple of years ago.

He is a riddle wrapped in Jack Viney tackle inside a Jesse Hogan contested mark. Nothing will work him out of there. The singularly most frustrating thing about him is he should be easy to fix. A small change of attitude that makes him to want his tackles to stick, to see ball and desperately want to get ball. A tiny bit more desire and he goes from our 18th most valuable player to easily in our top half dozen. Personally I can't see him going. Is any Club going to value him high enough to offer a worthwhile return on him? Will any Club want to take over what is, no doubt, a fairly handsome contract? I hope he stays and I'm guessing he will

And for feel-good stories if Jack can get over his injuries, time out of the game, being stupidly made the youngest AFL captain ever and being drafted to a Club that rocked from one disaster to another it will be the bestest feel-goodiest story AFL story of all time

Risk V Reward. Given Jack's injury history it is difficult to see him getting back to the form that justified his No. 2 draft spot in his first couple of years in the AFL. High risk But if he can we will have a readymade player who is a great mark for his size, a very good decision maker, has good disposal and exceptional leadership qualities. Also won't take backward steps. High Reward

Agree with all the positive comments so far Brayshaw along with Hogan, Viney, Salem and hopefully, Petracca will form the core group that will drag us up the ladder. Those first four blokes don't possess a backward step between them and will set the tone for this footy club for years to come

Absolutely agree. I can guarantee that the boys that helped coach the women's team (Jacks, Viney and Grimes and Chris Dawes I believe) would have learnt something beneficial in the process. There may have been something that the women's team did differently or in having to think through how to explain a drill or perhaps an alternatate view on things from coach Michelle Cowan There is no way this is just a one way relationship and will certainly be one of the things from this era that we will be able to look back on with some pride.

Must admit I wasnt expecting Collingwood to be the biggest beneficiary of the Clark/Varcoe/Lumumba merry-go-round. Heritier was top 4(?) in the Pies B & F last year and finished 16th for us this year. Started the year in ok form and went slowly backwards from there. Perhaps has an injury that kept from achieving his best form? Either way I'm hopeful of seeing him play some better footy with us next year

Does anyone actually think the penny will actually drop for Jack? In a perfect world if he could put some steel and hardness into his game he could be a valuable player. Surely coming 18th in the B & F has got to be a wake up call to him?

Christian will be part of the core group of players at the Club that will help drag this team through mediocrity and into becoming a very good team. He is almost as important to us as Hogan

It must kill Carlton supporters to watch him. Already kicked a couple and hand allied off another

If Melbourne had the choice to take any young midfielder in the comp I'd hope they would take Bontempelli

Apparently Jesse is also the 1,313th player to have pulled on the Melbourne guernsey. For some reason I can't explain I consider this to be a very auspicious number and a clear sign of greatness

Tie me to the stake and set me on fire but, at the start of the season, I didn't have the same belief in Jesse as many on here did. I thought that his kicking action would be found wanting in both distance and accuracy and he seemed to two grab marks which I thought would be a big liability in the top grade. Jesse was also always going to get the oppositions best or second best defender, was shorter than some of the new age forwards (Daniher, Moore, Boyd) and I thought would naturally struggle against mature bodies. Crucially, he was also a year out of the game. I figured a 10-15 goal season would be a good platform for future years. He then goes onto kick 44.19, including a couple from on the 50m line. He makes most of the competitions best defenders look a bit second rate and is far more mobile than some of his taller contemporaries. His work further up the ground was a revelation to me as was his field kicking which is probably in the top half dozen in the team. But easily his hugest accomplishment was his contested marking. For a first year player to get 3rd in the entire comp is extraordinary. A number of times this year he ended up with the ball in his hands when he had absolutely no right to. Whilst he has said he wants to create his own brand there were things he was doing, in his first year mind you, that were reminiscent of Carey who I regard as one of the top two players I have seen

Big, bad bustling Barry said it took him 4 (I think) years to feel comfortable playing as a key forward. Cam said it wasn't till he was 26. They can't believe how Jesse has done it in his first year. Better than Carey at the same time. Has a huge presence

Barry Hall and Cam Mooney just dribbling and dribbling hard about Jesse on 360. These boys are in awe