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CHANGES: Rd 03 vs Essendon
Have you seen us play in the wet under Goodwin - we've been rubbish. It will be a good test to see if we have a game plan that can move the ball and lock it in forward for once, otherwise it's big trouble.
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Jake Lever.. Can someone explain??
He had 2 defenders next to him to just chip a short pass to. They weren’t moving for him which was disgraceful but he could’ve demanded it. A 4 on 2 wasn’t a good result, it was more luck than anything that the kick fell to the late arriving Dees players.
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Great coaching from Goody
If we persist 3 flankers in Harmes, Salem and Rivers/Lockhart for more linebreaking run from the backline then it might be Hibberd and Jetta competing for the one lockdown small job. Hibberd has the extra height and speed defensively and more attacking drive (which isn't always good if his disposal is shot) but close checking isn't his strong suit. It feels like it's either one or the other right now.
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Great coaching from Goody
I wouldn't be too upset if we lost 70% of the clearances if we could actually make sure the opposition doesn't win them cleanly and with free runners going forward and were forced to hack kicks under pressure or turn the ball over. That's pretty much Richmond's game plan. Unfortunately we are acting like it's still 2016 and trying to play the territory game with a group of slow big bodied midfielders. Funny you mention Jackson, if we develop him properly he'll be a weapon at ground level and help us play the kind of accountable footy around a clearance that we should be playing. I hope Gawn has plenty left but he'll always be struggling to keep up with the little guys at the centre bounces.
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Jake Lever.. Can someone explain??
Huge test for Lever this week coming up against a guy who was deliberately sent out to unsettle him in the grand final in Jacob Townsend. Townsend is a scrubber and dirty. I watched 2 minutes of the Essendon game and he was swinging arms in tackles and holding opponents down way off the ball. He's exactly the kind of player we should've got rather than Mitch Brown! Anyway, back to Lever. He can't be physically intimidated by Townsend. Lever is 24, he's a man now. He has to be smarter, more skilled and tougher than Townsend.
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POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Carlton
Smith's played 11 AFL games before Saturday, missed the entire 2019 season and has just come off an 8 week break due to a pandemic. Maybe cut him a bit of a break for one really poor decision. He did chop in front of his man and intercept (with a Jetta assist) the crucial game deciding inside 50. Maybe Smith won't be smart enough, that's pretty much the decision they made with Frosty, but his basketball background does give him an understanding of zone/man defending and it's up to May and Jetta and the coaches to get him right. At this stage I'm more concerned about the gigantic holes through our midfield and forward line zone, especially when Marvel stadium should be easier to block up than the MCG. Essendon have started games very strongly getting on their bikes and running in a Richmond wave like fashion
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Cohesion
Agree on developing and coaching up more smart leaders. The team should be able to shift tempo smartly and to have some personnel move around for fresh match ups, but developing a plan B with a whole new way to move the ball and for players to move is incredibly difficult. I don't know how many teams actually do it. Also not sure about those payers you've named out of position. It was logical to try Jones at half back, ageing mids have had good success using their smarts across half back for years/decades probably. Salem's been a half back for a long time now, he's one of the leagues most reliable kicks in that role. Gus was getting blitzed out of the centre last year so they tried the wing, eventually got him back on ball, he's now playing a small part of the game on the wing but mostly on ball. Jetta is a deep defender in a zone defense, you play that way and sometimes he'll get left on a tall. Smith forward is a pipe dream based on sitting in the goal square for one preseason game, all his attributes point to a very good defender if developed. One big problem we have is that we have so few versatile players. Of yesterdays forward line the only one you'd trust down back is Fritsch who's had plenty of goes there. Melk and Jones could go on ball. The mids picked really are mids outside of Trac going forward and Oliver resting forward. Harmes could move from the backline but someone then has to take his spot. Same for Salem. We just don't have a lot of skilled and athletic players who can rotate around the ground.
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Cohesion
Our list was terrible so Roos and co had no choice but to top it up with Cross, Vince, Bugg, Lewis, Tyson, Hibberd, Garlett etc for short term gains and then we've had some very ordinary draft years lately. That said, 19 of the 22 who played against the Cats in 2018 are still on the list. Only Frost, Tyson and Lewis have gone. I don't think personnel is the biggest issue, I think it's the fact that we didn't have any cohesion at any stage last year, so this year is pretty much a clean start. The forwards and backs probably need a bit of time given the changes, but the mids have played a lot of footy together and added experienced players on the wings. And a lot of the poor errors aren't so much game plan but lack of footy smarts and awareness. 2 guys off the street should be able to work together at AFL level with basic communication and discipline.
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Angus Brayshaw
Centre bounce attendances from our games so far. Marsh 1: (total 29) Oliver 23 Petracca 23 Viney 21 Sparrow 17 Marsh 2 (total 21) Petracca 19 Oliver 15 Viney 14 Brayshaw 12 Round 1 (total 23) Oliver 19 Viney 18 Petracca 17 Brayshaw 15 I'd expect a reasonably similar ratio from yesterdays game. Of course that doesn't factor in to account what role the players are taking on within that system, but I think Gus got at least some run of it in the middle. My concern is more he's surplus of the same type of player more than whether he's completely fallen off the cliff or not. For a team that needs his skillset I'd imagine he'd still do the job.
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Angus Brayshaw
Brayshaw's best form came with Viney out and for his many faults Viney brings more burst at the contest, more pressure around the packs and more work rate. In a side with Oliver, Viney and Petracca it's just hard for Gus to get the full minutes as the designated rover where he can use his smarts and clean hands in close to thrive. And he hasn't seemed to make the kind of drastic changes to his preparation to really go to the next level physically, nor can he replicate the first year success he had in the forward line with tackle pressure and hunting the contest. I'd have him play half back but it could just as quickly end badly as go well. I firmly believe they looked in to trading him last year. If they didn't the club was negligent. And I also think the rest of the league probably took one look at his injury history and contract and said you can have a 3rd round pick and pay part of his contract. Freo of previous years probably would've done a better deal but Longmuir is smarter than most.
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Angus Brayshaw
There's little evidence from training or Casey games that Jordon is a laser like kicker, can be good with some time and space and has penetration but has never looked classy like Rivers did immediately and isn't any quicker than Gus.
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Pickett & Spargo Break COVID Restrictions
Pickett got a week for going to the party. Spargo got one week for going and one week for taking Pickett. Spargo needs a huge kick up the backside. He's turning in to the classic MFC private school kid who's happy collecting a few years of cheques without fulfilling his potential.
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CHANGES: Rd 03 vs Essendon
At which time of the game did you think Cripps need tagging? The first quarter when we dominated and he got 7 touches and did nothing with them? The second quarter where he only touched it twice? The 3rd quarter where he had 5 touches and 2 clangers. Or the last quarter where he still only had 2 clearances? The midfield did a very good job on Cripps. Easily Cripps' biggest impact on the game was when he went forward in the last quarter and we couldn't get the zones/roles or match ups right. Marc Murphy was the Carlton midfielder who hurt us most. Langdon is a bit improvement but otherwise our midfielders still struggle to defend in space which is very concerning.
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POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Carlton
The Gawn miracle tap gave Carlton there first scoring chance and some momentum, was very silly. Although it might've been that the Carlton mids switched to roving and calling for the tap from him. Still, our senior players have to be smarter. I don't think you can bemoan predictable kick outs and then ban May from kicking out. Can't have your cake and eat it too. May hit a number of targets from 30-40 out that broke open the zones. Unfortunately he went for a few miracle look away kicks (a Jordan Lewis invention last year) and tried to lace some 50m out. I'm fine with May taking a share of the kick outs and continuing to go for 30-40m options because he has a very good penetrating kick on that distance, just put away the Hollywood stuff. Hopefully Rivers gets his chance to take some kick outs soon. Fritsch's kicking for goal was off, they were all bad misses, including the snap on his right where he had time to get on his left. But there's very little evidence than Hannan is the answer, at least not until his body holds up for a consistent period. Hannan's set shot technique is even more concerning than Fritsch's, he has an even higher ball drop and slices across the ball. Hunt looks good on TV. His hard leads for the ball are what I like best about his game. But both that and his chase down tackles look good on zoomed in TV when he's around the ball. Watch him live though and I don't think you'd call him a smart footballer. It's why he ends up with only 7 disposals, 7 pressure acts and 2 tackles.
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CHANGES: Rd 03 vs Essendon
Oscar's been a core part of the team for years when they've continued to all fly at the same ball. It was hardly a new problem tonight. In fact this may be harsh but I reckon Oscar's lack of reliability in a pack has been a key part of why Jetta, Hibberd and our other small defenders have always been so desperate to leave their men and fly 3rd or 4th or 5th man up. I've never seen May as a CHB. He played one great game against the Swans chopping 3rd man across against Buddy but otherwise his main strength has been as a lock down defender. His body didn't hold up to the extra kms last year. He's not overly tall and has flat hands when marking. I still think the best role for May is to try to get what the Tigers get with Grimes and before him Rance. Deepest defender who gets his share of intercepts dropping back in to space. Oscar could come in and play the Astbury role but if we keep midfield pressure combined with having May and Smith behind him he shouldn't face one on ones inside defensive 50. At some stage Jake has to start winning contests even if he's against a dangerous CHF.
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Jake Lever.. Can someone explain??
One of the biggest failures of the Roos era - being unable to convince Howe he was a defender and making sure the club saw his value as such. Given his desire to be a forward I wasn't too upset we effectively swapped him for Hibberd who was a better kick and more reliable at the time, but what I'd give for him now. Still, I can't believe our lack of success drafting and developing defenders the last few years. We've paid a lot for May and Lever and how many have we drafted Petty, Hore, Lockhart, Joel Smith. Should be taking athletic/competitive talents every year and developing them. It was refreshing to see Rivers come in and look comfortable.
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CHANGES: Rd 03 vs Essendon
2.1. Not sure if any out on the full or dropped short. McGovern roamed free up the ground and took some marks, they didn't get the zones or switches right. The other two hardly touched it, 1 touch inside 50 for each of them.
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CHANGES: Rd 03 vs Essendon
I have faith with the back 7 from this week to improve as they play together more. I can back in Tomlinson on a wing even though I think he's rather ordinary. Gawn, Petracca, Oliver, Viney, Langdon pick themselves. But we have to make at least 1 change to the midfield to get a better balance and we need to mix up the forward line. I'd give Jackson another week, the wide open space of the MCG should suit him more, there was a lot of almost moments. Melksham and T Mc get chances to do more. Bennell clearly stays. Fritsch should get more freedom up the ground to use his versatility but he's not going anywhere. Nibbler - well he Nibbled as well as he could today. And Hunt's speed and hard leading deserves a reward. That leaves: Out: Brayshaw - cover his midfield minutes with a variety of quicker and more skilled players Jones - he just doesn't have it any longer In: Vanders Pickett
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CHANGES: Rd 03 vs Essendon
Casboult, McGovern and McKay combined for all of 2 goals. I don't think we missed the big witches hat at all.
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POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Carlton
Did you see Tomlinsons' attempts at overhead marks today? He's inept in that area for his size. Rivers, Harmes and Joel Smith give us 3 mobile defenders with height who can hit the contests, they just need up field pressure and confidence to attack the ball or man. The first quarter showed what the backline can do when the pressure is on. The backline's bigger problem was knowing their roles and finding the right balance. The forward and mid accountability was - as usual - horrendous.
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POSTGAME: Rd 02 vs Carlton
Has to be both body and mind with T Mc. It's clear he has no agility or strength in the legs. Struggles to turn or jump. But his mind seems awful as well. When he was shifted forward he got a new lease on life and confidence in a team that could really move the ball and give him a chance to clunk a few. Now the team is struggling and he's not touching it much and it's clearly in his head. Something needs to change and fast.
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Jake Lever.. Can someone explain??
Lever is a good peel off defender in a side that can get decent forward and midfield pressure. But he’s not big or athletic enough to clunk intercepts over packs like McGovern, Moore or Andrews. Or even Howe or Sicily. I think we persevere with him at CHB. He’ll get stronger at the contest and reads the play well. Smith did some excellent defensive things. He mostly blanketed McKay who isn’t a great player but can be dangerous on a lead. He has great closing speed, a big tank and understands angles. He made 2 big mistakes - the attempted hanger and leaving Betts at a contest we had aerial covered. But Frost kept doing that for 4 years, let’s give Smith 4 games alongside Lever and May and if he’s not totally stupid and has half decent coaching he’ll settle.
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CHANGES: Rd 02 vs Carlton
I'd love to see Rivers get a go and we could absolutely do without Hibberd's desperate long bombs to no one, I'd just be worried that putting a young kid in to the backline puts more defensive pressure on the likes of Lever and Salem and might shift Harmes deeper in to a more defensive role. After last year the coaches have to prioritise a working defensive structure. If Rivers is really excelling with his defensive work as well as with the ball then get him in.
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TRAINING: 2 Weeks to Go
Oscar should be better this year with a full preseason but I just don't see any reason why he'd suddenly find the aggression and confidence to start taking marks or the quick mind and quick feet to attack the game. He can get back to what he was in 2018 which was a useful plodder to sit on the oppositions weaker key forward (if they have one) but his use then becomes about match ups. If there's a second big bloke who's too tall or strong for Lever or someone like Hibberd or Smith then Oscar gets a game, but if there's not a match up that suits Oscar I'd rather try and finally find out if Smith can get a run of games. In terms of repeat efforts to get the ball then Nath Jones is the logical choice at half forward. ANB has a wonderful defensive motor as well but he doesn't stick his tackles against the good teams, with shorter quarters a rotation of young smalls who tackle with more aggression like Pickett, Bedford or Chandler should be trialled. Spargo has the smarts and a pretty decent tank but he's entered the JKH zone of clearly not being comfortable to execute his skills or to mix it physically.
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CHANGES: Rd 02 vs Carlton
FB: ***** May ****** HB: Salem Lever Harmes C; Langdon Oliver Tomlinson HF: Jones McDonald Melksham FF: Pickett Fritsch ****** Foll: Gawn Petracca Viney Int (from): - Jetta v Hibberd v Lockhart - J. Smith v Oscar - Brayshaw - Jackson v Weid v Brown - Chandler/ANB/Spargo/Bedford ?? Hunt ??? Vanders Assuming they stick with Harmes at half back then I'd go with Joel Smith over Oscar, Hibberd keeps his spot as he's the logical match up on Jack Martin, Jetta gets another run. Brayshaw keeps his spot because he has to be given first go on Cripps, but Gus needs to deliver. The forward line is tricky but I lean towards going with Weid as the second tall and then throwing Jackson in as a wildcard, especially if they think his tackling and ground ball work is as good as most smalls. I maintain the belief in Chandler as the best small to pair with Kossie, particularly if we want to use Fritsch and Melksham up the ground more in a taller set up than round 1.