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Then how have we persuaded a ruck that has been complaining about no game time to join us? He's gotta be worked in.

Streuss would likely player the other tall anyway, leaving Gawn to drop back into defense.

Rubbish. Lewis was immense in our two wins. He had a bad day today but so did Gawn and Jones. And many others.

Best thread on Demonland. I was born in 86 and have mostly experienced misery with a handful of good but not great years. This current team is undoubtedly the best we've had in my time, maybe the 94 list as all of our best players were in their prime but we could never get them on the park at the same time. Keep the stories coming!

we were crap for a decade, doctor, because we bet the house on the draft and got rid of a core group that held the team together for a decade. we picked up Fritsch and Spargo deep in the draft last year, and both are starting 22 in arguably the best team the club has fielded in over 5 decades. Throw in VB and Hannan as well as smart "mature" aged picks and there is clear proof that high drafts are not the be all and end all. The logic behind trading a key position player in his early 20s and yet to hit his prime just to improve our draft position is utter lunacy. It's on par with the idiocy I see on some of the Facebook supporter groups of people screaming for Petracca and ANB to be dropped (and posted DURING the game mind you). I apologise if that seems like a direct attack on you and others here but it's genuinely how I feel at the moment. Midway through the season I probably thought differently but now that we have turned the corner, we should keep our hand close to our chest rather than throwing it all away in the hope we get a better hand at the draft. Hogan has had his Clive Waterhouse-esque moments this year, but he's a smart player with a huge tank that can find the ball. He would have gone top 3 in any of the past 10 drafts, including this year. That's not an argument to trade him. It's an argument to keep him. Unless a Hogan trade immediately improves us, it's a firm "Yeah nah" from me. And by "improve us immediately" I mean a young, proven winner. A like for like swap is the only possible fair trade, and that's never going to happen.

Observations: Geelong supporters a disgrace. 91k. Maybe 15k Cats fans. Harmes is a star. Weeds is a big game player. Dangerfield and Ablett are two of the softest players ever. Ablett just doesn't care and wants the soft ball or free kick. Umps gave us a ride but we got the free kicks the Cats have been getting for a decade.

Trade him.

It was the Deebrief Podcast page. Was gobsmacked by that result.

Well if we're going for a like for like with Hogan out, then yes. 20 metres behind the opposition at every opportunity.

Not if WC match the offer, which they likely would unless it's a North offer for $50 million and an island in the Caribbean.

"Thanks for putting up with our [censored], members! 12 years old of finals! Couldn't have done it without you. See you at the draft!"

between 150 and 160 we haven't played a single finals match lol What if we wear this after losing to WC, then lose to GWS? 160th anniversary guernsey, with members names written on, while we bundle out of contention and miss finals for the 12th (!) straight season. This should have been done earlier in the year. The timing really isn't ideal.

watch pedo's pass to him in the last, leading to the speccie on his head. If you think Hogan is the problem, you're wrong.

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They beat WC in Perth, Hawthorn off 3 flags and the Giants. And then beat heavily favoured Sydney in the GF. All the while being heavily hit by injuries throughout the year. Hardly a fluke. Adelaide circa 1998 is what I would classify a fluke imo.

The issue isn't our collective performance. Comparing it to past years when we have lost is pointless because we were crap and would have lost regardless. This is about conditioning and unnecessary physical strain during what is already a long marathon. Yes, let's travel to Darwin in round 15 ffs! I'd rather be playing these two games one after the other, leading into a bye.

Not easy to compare him to Judd or G Williams (the two players I feel he shares most similarity with) because neither had contested possessions tracked early in their careers. Here is Clarry compared with Judd in his second season (he played his 50th game in the 2006 I believe). https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=4166&fid1=C&playerStatus2=I&tid2=4&pid2=109&fid2=P&fopt2=2006&type=A

i want us to dump them so we get more MCG games. The fatigue factor is rubbish. We've been crap the whole time we've played up there and we somehow attribute [censored] performances with playing in humid conditions. Maybe it was just because we're an average team? What's our excuse for our performances against Hawthorn, Richmond, Collingwood, and St Kilda?

Only Melbourne could debut a young key defender against a team that can't score, allow 119 points against and have said kid be a key standout contributor that was the team's defensive ineptness on the day. Bravo, Melbourne. Bravo.

Vince will retire, Lewis will hang around for a year. If we don't play finals this year, Jones should be put up for trade like I've said every year for the past 4 years.

Why doesn't it meet the criteria?

This has been in the works for a while though hasn't it? Building over the tracks between Flinders and Jolimont, and Jolimont to...I wanna say East Richmond?

It's a bit like looney Yarra Council councillors complaining and pushing for a ban to parking in the grounds for events. Because 60+ years of cars parking there has done so much damage to the park... There will undoubtedly be backlash and I imagine pushback from some environmental councillors.

True.

it's a pretty significant and large part of the park.