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Of course mate, but I am a skeptical one because I believe the next step in our development is playing finals. We're at that stage now and will fall behind if we don't get that experience.

The same way we beat them without Gawn and Hogan last time.

Must've been from running around chasing Jarman.

See I am the opposite the other way. After our North loss I was convinced we wouldn't make it. This year I feel it would be a huge choke if we missed. We are top 4 caliber.

We would be the best team ever to miss finals if we choked from here. A little from column A and a little from column B.

True but it wasn't injuries why we missed last year.

5 games remaining. Same position as last year. 10 wins. 7th. Jones has played 2 finals in 12 seasons. Captain. Now is time for him to go above and beyond. Take the club on your shoulders. It's not about him leading us to upset victories anymore. He needs to lead us to finals. Or forever be branded a loyal loser. Harsh reality.

We were coming from quite far back, but then, so were the Bulldogs who were tipped to finish last by many in 2015 before making finals. IMO we are a year behind where we should be because we should have finals experience in the bag.

Why would you want opposition forwards to kick *more* goals on us? Shanners was consistently beaten against big forwards.

Time for Jones and Lewis to rise up a notch and take leadership back. Oliver has been carrying this team, and should he not play, those two have to step up.

The trick is to not factor in long periods because they are irrelevant to the current *team's* success. From that perspective, finals time is now because we have the talent and opportunity, and we are in year 5 of the Roos rebuild. For the club more broadly yes success needs to come soon but we can't burden the current crop with the ineptness of 50 years.

The only lesson left to have now is finals pressure.

Another leg injury hey?

comparing the experience of those players is pointless. Yes as it stands NOW we are less experienced, but Geelong won a flag 11 years ago. Their core atm including Ablett and Selwood didn't have 200+ games. Same goes for Collingwood, who were actually quite young when they won the flag. Right now we are actually firmly in the premiership window, and should be overrunning teams like Geelong. Instead we allowed the likes of Ablett, who couldn't outrun my grandma all night, to grab control of the match. It was embarrassing. We took the foot off the pedal and started playing like millionares. We lost that. It had nothing to do with Geelong's experience. Yes, with experience comes a steady hand and lessons. But how many do they need? Last year was our 2006. Missing finals would be a huge failure and a major indictment on the club's development intentions. Part of the development involves playing finals. Really getting sick of people making excuses for these blokes. They've been in a prime position for 3 straight years now. If they'd gotten the job done the first time maybe they'd know how to hold a lead against a bunch of old men.

I am the same. Been thinking about it for 3 days now.

2017 was meant to be our 2006. We're well above where Geelong was at any point in 2006. They could barely crack the 8. If we miss finals it would be a massive choke and would prove not much has changed on last year. How much longer are we going to be "waiting on next year"?

Cooked. Both of them.

How long have you been a Melbourne supporter for? Spuds tearing us up when we least expect it is the Melbourne way!

Let's be honest. No team was demanding his services as teams were Frawley as a KPD. Jones would barely crack the top 22 of another top 8 side now, let alone one in 2012-2014. Jones is a clubman and lifetime Demon. We love him for that, but is there a spot for him should be land, say, a Gaff, and are at full strength?

GET OUT, KIDS! WHILE YOU STILL CAN!

I imagine the match will be similar, I think we match up well with Geelong and Adelaide, the problem with both is their key forwards. If we don't capitalise we will again find ourselves in a tough situation in a hostile environment. Lose next week and the season is done.

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2018-07-21/why-simon-goodwin-is-soft Watch the performance of the last minute. Garlett's shot on goal was the making of a loser with absolutely no sense of victory, or what it takes to actually protect the lead. It was lazy, selfish, and the complete opposite of "big game". A pointless shot on goal. Hogan and Mcdonald appear out of sync. McDonald goes up against two defenders, Hogan hangs back, completely oblivious to the inevitable rushed behind. Little if any attempt to keep the ball in play. In that instance there -- a high, deep ball -- you go up and contest to keep the ball in. Yet on direct and clear leads up down the guts throughout the game, he contests and clashes with Mcdonald? The very definition of dumb football. Watch Garlett's and Melksham's pressure and chase at 0:34-0:38. I know they were out of the contest, but the lack of urgency and desire to create the *perception* of pressure is extremely disheartening. Garlett is absolutely cooked. Imagine this guy in a final at the MCG in front of 90k? Peaheart flash-in-the-pan player. Leon Davis 2.0. Delist. Duncan manages to jog out of our forward line, receive the handball from Hawkins, who kicks it forward. DEFENSIVE ACCOUNTABILITY!? Let down by both forwards and midfielders. Hogan or Mcdonald should have followed him through. LAZY. Jones and Lewis at 0:45 look completely and utterly lost. These are two players leading our team towards a finals spot. FMD. I feel there is a huge disconnect between club and fan atm. We appear destined to be eternal run-withs, making up the numbers. That last minute imo epitomises Goodwin's coaching career thus far. Truly inept, and not at all indicative of a team looking to break an 11-year (!!!!!!!) finals drought. 5 years into the Roos rebuild and we are STILL looking for someone to stand up at key moments in games and the season.

I'm angry but this is insane lol Our 2018 would beat the 2011 team by 200 points.

JKH at least applies pressure!

We need to beat 4 of Adelaide, Sydney, West Coast, GC and GWS to be a sure thing. We're just making up the numbers at this point anyway.