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Genuinely made me laugh. Meanwhile Darling just shat it through easily from the same spot we've missed 4 shots from. Goodwin must be sweating.

Umpiring has been pathetic but our performance has been diabolical. Oliver should be dropped.

Lewis and Viney should be ashamed. Missed regulation shots while Kennedy snags them from the boundary.

[censored] off.

See when May kicked that out and Eagles kicked it straight back in, notice the positioning and movement of the Melbourne players? ALL walking.

What is it with our obsession with hittin a short lead when already within 50? Especially considering our pathetic goal kicking accuracy? Have a shot ANB! ffs!

Regulation shots taken by leaders. Sprayed. Pathetic.

disgusting.

pitiful last line defense by Jetta and co there. Are we tanking?

Brayshaw with 2 lazy albeit soft free kicks.

We are into $2.40 now for the win. Vs a flag fancy. Either punters know something we don't, or there is still an element of trust and belief in this team from punters.

If looking at the ladder in isolation then yes we are playing better than a 17th placed side. However statistically we have seen sharp drops in key areas. i50 conversion, goal accuracy, overall efficiency across the ground. So the upside is that despite seeing such major drops across the board we haven't looked awful of the GC caliber. We have still looked very poor though. Today will be interesting. Of the matches you mentioned only the Crows and Eagles games we ever looked like winning. Even though we only lost by 8 last week we never looked like winning. It was the same vs Brisbane. Further mid-table this year is much better than how we're performing so I'll disagree with you on that. North, Adelaide, Port, Bulldogs have all played much better football. North would be strong favourites against us. Will be very interesting next 5-6 weeks. If you're right and we can stay relatively injury free than 2-3 wins should be the minimum.

Astonished we are paying under $3 for this. Among the shorter odds for non-finals playing finalists this round.

Confident isn't the right word for me personally. I am in two minds. I am *confident* we have a strong core but believe major change still needs to occur. I feel there is an element of complacency for the sake of stability. You can make major change without interrupting said stability. As a club I fear we are now fearful of huge change because of the past. Hopefully last year wasn't our peak. If it wasn't then historical analysis tells us that a similarly sharp spike above and beyond where we were last year is possible. However if it was our peak, then we will stay steadily at the crash point for a few years to come. Huge 8-10 months for Goodwin and co.

Yes, 100%. But I did mention linear growth OR stability. By stability I mean there is margin for drops and they should be expected but they are countered by equal measure growth. We've seen steady linear growth...and a hard crash. Hard crashes are typical of hostile/unstable/uncertain markets or environment. They are extremely rare otherwise and if they do appear otherwise they are typically reflective of low confidence, internal factors or poor decisions. Not always can they be directly measured next to tangible decisions but when they can be it typically means the rare occasion where quick change is applied. The "fail quickly". Organisations will never admit it but this is where you see *important* change that keeps, or reestablishes morale. It is tough in the football world and different to corporate but I would think until round 10 2020 would be equivalent to a financial quarter in the business world.

I'm frustrated, Wise. I have perhaps unrealistically high standards but those standards are a product of a personally successful career. I lose sleep after one week of missing target at work even if we're at 120% of target for the year. I understand the corporate world is different to the football world but I have worked with professional sporting organisations in the past both locally and abroad, and the application, targetting, tracking, celebration and accountability of KPIs is consistent across the most successful organisations. We keep being told these are being applied at MFC but then I see us lingering near last on the ladder. I can't help but get angry. It's in my blood. I know there are many variables that have hurt us this year. The reasonable man in me gives a pass to a degree, but I cannot oversee or forget this. The pass is temporary. I have had many mentors over the years. They are always zen-like in their criticism and delegation, a trait I am still trying to learn, to get people to follow me without the use of fear or threat. It's a unique trait to get people to do that. But the consistent theme amongst them is the complete and utter contempt for failure. That's not to say you, or anyone else here that disagrees with me is accepting of failure. Apologies if I have said otherwise. I was wrong. I will try to be more accepting and rational in my responses. I am very critical and harsh towards failure. I know we all are. But I've been conditioned in such a way where it's very difficult for me to not see consistently linear growth or stability. The crash this year, from a former business analyst's point of view, tells me we are back at square one, and it will be a long way back. and this is the rare occasion where quick change is actually necessary. fail quickly. this is why round 10 2020 is the cutoff.

Yep well you need to be modestly okay to even compete in this league these days, Goff. The AFL in 1999 was still in that transition to full time professionalism, and Daniher was battling the ever-lingering political mudslinging that was the MFC board. Not to mention the lingering stink of salary cap issues, and the loss of Lyon and injuries to White and Viney. Will never forget Modra lighting us up for 10 goals at the MCG and Freo's first ever win there. How distinctively "Melbourne" that night was. Fortunately for that team a lot of the important stats tracked today weren't being tracked in 1999 but I suspect the drop off this year has been far more significant, given we are 17th-18th in some stats that we were 1st-2nd in last year. Daniher was also brutally honest and hurt when the fan hurt. Goodwin appears to shrug a lot off the shoulder. Appears the Crows arrogance is thick within him. Never his fault. Never in the wrong. Always "something else". Actually, he fits in at Melbourne. We are better than that 1999 team. And we are better than 17th. How will 2019 be defined?

It's okay. We're working hard. At least we get pick 2? That's the message around here... Once the round is over though and WC have given us a football lesson, the pressure gauge will turn up on Goodwin. 17th with 5 rounds to go. No where to hide anymore. Let's see what excuses are thrown out now.

It's alright though! We've had injuries, and there's always next year! Besides, pick 2 on the horizon! Look on the bright side! Goodwin is the man! etc etc In all honesty, the further the season progresses, the worse it gets. We're going to finish below Carlton. I don't give a [censored] what the variables are. Or how many injuries we've had. It's abhorrent. It's a [censored] disgrace where we are. Goodwin should be presenting and raising the stakes for his own and the team's KPIs for 2020. He and is football department have utterly destroyed the fabric, albeit thin one, that had been established by Roos and Jackson. I can accept a drop after 5 years of linear growth consider where we were. But where we are now...it's inexcusable. Jones, Gawn, TMac, Lewis should be embarrassed. Leadership onfield has been pathetic. I'm giving Goodwin 16 matches to turn it around. And that's generous considering how much of a [censored] mess this team is in right now.

You might be right but what's eerie is that it all keeps happening. You can't ignore the facts. I mean, it makes me laugh just how much we've dropped off this year. It's unprecedented. Coach killing. And distinctively Melbourne. Some of the stats are mind boggling. I think it just pisses people off that other shrugs their shoulder at a 17th place finish, which seems likely. We absolutely need to be passed that but somehow we find ourselves "Doing a Melbourne" and regressing so badly that it's hard not to make a connection. You say those past events are irrelevant. But history repeats. Culture lingers. I think a lot of you are in denial tbh.

Defensively he is awful. I'd rather him get 3 tackles but take 5 intercept marks, or lay 5 tackles in defensive 50, than lay 5 pointless tackles in congestion on a player who was never getting a clear possession to begin with. IMO Hocking's comments re. tackling this week tie in with the type of tackling game Clarry and Co. produce. No impact on the game. Just a rugby scrum until the ball is knocked loose.

We don't tackle in the first quarter and now you want to introduce a rule to reduce tackling further lol

I think it reflects a gap in maturity skill and leadership as you allude to. The gap between 1-4 teams and 5-8 is fairly big, but even larger 9-12 and 13 below. We don't discount WC and GWS wins, they were well coached and played matches. But even as Goodwin has mentioned we were a young team on a roll. My intent is not to dilute last year's finals as merely a flash in the pan. Rather my intent is to highlight that, to be consistantly good, you need to consistently beat good teams. So it started as a concerning albeit afterthought stat. But this year shows it is a trend.

Everyone calm tf down. An interesting if concerning stat, is all. Collingwood struggled last year against top 8 sides but has shown a trend it is not. We've been consistently poor against top 8 sides during the season. It hurts us. It impacted our ability to snag the double chance last year. How do we fix it? What do we do? Where is it going wrong? Is it a quick fix? Instead of attacking each other for simply posting an opinion, engage and contribute. We're in this together.

The only sides that were top 8 during H&A when we beat them were GWS and WC. In what world are you living in that any half decent side is even remotely relevant without beating good teams?