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let's be honest, it's legacy pay from here on out. If AVB, Hannan, Melksham were on the park where would Jones even play? Thank you for your service. One year contract and one more turn around the merry go round. Hope we nab a flag for him but won't happen. TBH I'd not be surprised if he requested a trade to a contender.

m8 we are below that. We're Franklins NQR brand atm.

Can we stop with vague forum threads with little if any context? I really hate those Facebook groups for that reason.

Rubbish. Every team has injuries but Melbourne is the only one in the league that appears to be consistantly destroyed by them to such a degree that they drop down to the bottom 4. It doesn't happen to any other club as often as it does Melbourne. What does that tell you? Daniher was a good-average coach who really should have been let go after 2003. Keeping him on for another 4 years badly hindered our recruitment. He fluffed the Molan pick, and brought in a bunch of no hopers like Armstrong, Bate, Miller etc. to form a "core" of average footballers. No wonder we fell so hard after Neitz, Robbo, Yze and co left. Daniher was both a saviour and catalyst of the club's problems. Not his fault entirely but injuries were far from his biggest issue. After 2003 he said we were in "rebuild" mode after falling in the Semi in 2002 but that was just an excuse that we all fell for. 2003: disgraceful season 2004: 1st after 18 rounds, lost last 4, then choked against 8th-placed Essendon in the Elim 2005: Lost 7 in a row mid-way through the season and if not for Robbo's heroics vs Geelong we would have missed finals. Lost by 11 goals in Elim. 2006: Started season 0-3, lost to Carlton twice (they won 3 games for the year), then gifted Freo their first ever finals win. Daniher was a great man and a club stalwart. But he wasn't that good a coach.

Is he looking to get back involved?

There is no need for the President or CEO or executives to say anything until they absolutely need to. They pay Goodwin and co to take the heat. It's their job. I'd expect harsh words at the AGM and B&F and then leading into 2020. At this stage however it is pointless saying anything without a deep dive and review having been conducted on the season. It's not an executives job to talk or say anything before the fact. They pay people to react and preact.

Unsurprising.

We knew what we were getting when we financed the car: a three year lease. It is grossly unfair to blame Roos AT ALL for this. He made it crystal clear what his goal was and how long he was committed for. His and PJ's roles were to right the ship and set the foundations. We cannot pass accountability away from the current administration and coaching team. What Roos has said is a fundamental criticism of Goodwin's coaching. What we are seeing this year is on par with the trash we saw in 2014 when Roos took over: we battle it out for three quarters and then lay down in the last with deplorable skills. But you know what? Roos quickly stamped that out and set us up. Goodwin was gifted a finals-caliber list that he has slowly gutted with losses of Hogan, Kent, Dunn, Watts and others. Yes it was probably right to move them on but instead of filling those roles he has stacked our backline, effectively putting a barrier at the end of the rail tracks but letting the steam train just chog along at high speed until it crashes on the last line of defense. It's been a shockingly one dimensional approach to list management and has set us back 2-3 years. Unless we recruit line breakers, a KPF, pace, and grow some balls and dump the perennial losers on the list we will just jog along in neutral. It's been a [censored] pathetic season. Goodwin and his crew get a firm F. Maybe a D- because of the injuries. But that's a big maybe. Our engine room has stayed intact but our transitional defense is deplorable and absolutely nothing has been done in his three years at the helm to stem the flow of goals after a turnover. Forget about training and educating the players. Goodwin needs a [censored] crash course in defensive accountability, because it's been lacking from the team's structure since he arrived. Remember back to 2017, it was the same issue. We were scoring so it was diluted but the same issue was there. as it was this year. I hope he turns it around. If he does then we're contending again. If he doesn't then we're down the bottom. Unfortunately there is no in between. He needs to quickly rebuild our core right through the middle otherwise his coaching career is finished.

Look, I value Nate Jones and respect the bloke. But he's never been more than just a good footballer. Having him amongst the club's greats on the basis on loyalty alone, sure, but if he's classified as one of the club's "greats" well that epitomises how [censored] we've been. No offense Jonsey.

Viney and Jones have been immense disappointments this year. Jones has had one "leader's" game and that was against Sydney. I am not expecting him to set the world on fire but his drop into mediocrity has peaked this season and it would be difficult to justify a spot for him in the top 22 next year. Viney has had obvious physical battles but it's more clear every week that we can't have Oliver, Brayshaw and Viney competing for the same ball. Goodwin needs to grow a pair and start making changes because it's not working. Gawn is far and away our only on-field leader.

First one to really put the heat on Goodwin. "This one sits in the coaches box." Can't see it turning around this season. That gives Goodwin 6-8 weeks in 2020.

Should have started after the Adelaide loss. All pointless now. But this week's game was arguably our worst on a skills front for the season so unsurprisingly the heat has risen now. Looking forward to listening.

I've been in the Acceptance stage since our Hawthorn loss last year, just waiting for the inevitable, looking for ways to change and improve where we were. I admittedly fell for the hype early on but it was the Saints loss in round 5 that had me back to where I was, accepting that we have a long way to go. Many here are still firmly in the Denial or Anger phases.

Almost identical. High hopes. Among premiership favourites. We get a couple of injuries and it all breaks down. We really need to be mentally prepared for another 4-5 years down the bottom.

How are they going?

Sure, but at the same time, you're talking about a pretty significant change to the way the game is structured with 6-6-6, and a team that has seen both collective drop off across the boards, of perhaps among the greatest drop offs season-on-season after finals of all time. All year, we have looked more like a poorly coached team, than a poor team. Gold Coast are a poor team. Earlier in the season I remember someone here posting that they couldn't tell if we were playing bad or we were just trying really hard for no reward. Or if we were simply just a bad team. It is extremely difficult to put your finger on. Goodwin's press conferences the past two weeks have been his most honest of his coaching career, but also his most damning: three years into his coaching career, his team's skill are getting progressively worse, they are being utterly smoked in final quarters, and there is zero -- ZERO -- mention of gameplan. Why? Because the actual fundamentals have gone missing. How does a team lose grasp of the fundamentals to such a degree that it allows almost 100 points from turnovers, can barely score, can't transition, can't rebound, can't defend, can't tackle, and on and on? Skill errors are one thing. But I don't think skills are a catalyst here. They are very clearly a symptom of a complete systematic breakdown. That is down to the coach.

I was super defensive after the Port loss but the Saints loss in round 5 I think it was turned me.

what is concerning scoop is that it was the same in 2014. We were in front in 10 final quarters. We won 4 games for the year. And lost our last 10. We look set to end the season on 7 straight losses. Not only do we find a way to lose. it appears we've forgotten how to win. The loser culture is still prevalent.

Mate we were never a chance. That Saints aren't that good is a GOOD thing because if we play like that vs Richmond we will lose by 20 goals. That was a putrid performance. We may not have been *hammered* persay, but we were begging for the Saints to hammer us.

suggests there is a disconnect and/or lack of intent in regards to the gameplan. In some regard it does come back to the coach. We know how good they can be because they were literally ranked 1st at one point. They are now playing and coaching themselves into the ground. Astonishing.

Goodwin: We were outplayed for majority of the night. In the end, we were lucky to be in it. Our decision-making and fundamentals are just stressing our game.

Gawn - Only true leader Oliver - Many useless touches Harmes - Most damaging mid Salem - Defender became Defended Lever - Mostly okay interceptor Trac - In and Out ANB - Uninspiring and wasteful Petty - Liked his fire Brayshaw - Typical 2019 game Frost - Never hit teammates Viney - Not my captain Fritsch - Still finding form Hunt - Speedy yet slow Lewis - Was okay forward J Wagner - Why oh why? OMac - Not a player Tim Smith - Oh he played? Jetta - Lost in moment Jones - is retirement imminent? Hibberd - Fall from grace Baker - tried by raw C Wagner - Never again, please

Imagine losing to this spud of a club twice in two years. Imagine beating them only 3 times in 13 [censored] years. 14 inside 50s in a row to the Saints. [censored]. Pathetic.

Harmes spoils it, but 4 Saints players nearby lineup to swoop it up. Pathetic. This season is running on fumes.