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Maybe I was a bit harsh. He definitely knows his football but my point was that he doesn't go into much depth and actual analysis, it's mostly just emotional commentary.

didn't lay a tackle in the first 15 minutes of the club's most important game for a decade. supporters deserve the pain if we ever bought into this club's BS.

I just threw up in my mouth reading those stats. wtf has Goodwin done to this team?

you're right but fratenising need only be banned when it's with the enemy. A strong coach isn't just someone moving the pieces on game day. They need to be personal and career coaches as well, and there are some things that can be only be learned over a beer.

If you dare, cast your eyes back to 2012, Neeld's first year. We have a much better list now, but ultimately the outcome and situation was similar: a team that had plenty of endeavour but was ultimately not good enough to win on game day. Come 2013, such was that effort that the group of average AFL footballers were completely exhausted of answers: the crash was hard, fast, and quite mesmerizing such was its potency. I doubt any other coach would have gotten much better out of that list. We saw Roos the following year only get 4 wins out of pretty much the same group. But ultimately, it was a combination of talent and skill (or lack thereof) and poor game day coaching across 2012 and 2013. The past 18 or so months have seen plenty of endeavour, but shocking skill, and poor selection and game day judgement. Goodwin's team is imo very close to going the way of Neeld's team. He is sticking with a structure and plan that is going to burn out the longer the season progresses. He is coaching stubbornly atm. Clarkson and Fagan and Simpson and Beveridge always seem to have a trick up their sleeve. They can completely alter the way their teams play. There is no distinctiv style. Richmond is blessed with a group of team players: they player perhaps the best "team" football in the league. Atm, Goodwin is coaching a team of players that seem to hate playing with one another. There is zero synergy. This breaks trust. Creates uncertainty, second guessing. The pressure builds, and mistakes happen. But that also creates bad habits which eventually develop into bad footballers. This is a coaching issue now. Goodwin is either going to be a Neeld or a Bomber Thompson circa 2007. I see no in between here.

Ox is a simpleton with his football analysis on the best of days but he's an emotionally invested supporter and hurts as much as any of us. He also talks us up when we're flying more than anyone, Lyon is a bit more grounded in his thoughts. Schwartz tries to invoke an emotional response by speaking from the heart as a real fan. Lyon speaks like a commentator with an obvious interest in the club. Ultimately they both have the same destination, they just take different roads to get there. Both are correct in this case.

is that you, Simon?

Lots of noise about us today. Lyon. Brad Green. Shane Crawford. This nugget is depressing: https://twitter.com/SamLandsberger/status/1279683312336789504?s=20

Our lowest ebb in my time supporting (30 years now) is easily the end of the Bailey and start of the Neeld era. We are not there yet but the wheels look very close to falling off. When we lost to Hawthorn in round 3 two years ago, it seemed then that something was amiss. We got bullied and destroyed that day. I know it's small in the grander scheme of things, and we ultimately had a strong year, but something about that game stands out for me. Along with Round 23 2017. What we've seen last year and to start this year seem to be the long term effects of those specific matches. Again, I know they are isolated matches in a large data set, but we got an early look in at what the absolute worst of this team looks like. I'd argue we haven't "regressed". We have regressed from a peak in 2018, sure, but I think that realistically, we are seeing the true reality of this coach and team. Last year the argument was if 2018 was the anomaly. It most definitely was.

rubbish.

bing, this is a cop out we've been seeing on here since the Daniher days. Oliver had a brain fade and yes that isn't a grand reflection of Goodwin's coaching but the performance is ultimately symbolic of it. The pressure team's put us under, the structure, the transition, the defensive breakdowns are clearly, unequivocally a reflection of the coaching. Oliver had a bad game. That's fine and it happens. But let's not give Goodwin a pass here. And Oliver isn't the reason we lost.

realistically richmond was a 8-9 goal better team tonight. without their injuries and we don't get close. we are at full strength. danger signs.

This is a blend of 2012 Neeld and 2014 Roos era football. We will finish bottom 4. Bookmark that [censored].

No. Oliver handballs to his feet. That was Oliver's fault.

Good handball Oliver you hack.

They'd all smoke us mate.

don't forget, we're at full strength.

Football. Lesson. I called this [censored].

Worth noting we are pretty much at full strength.

this is 100% structural. we do the same [censored] thing every single time. EVERY SINGLE TIME. we then get absolutely smoked on the transition against decent teams. This is a football lesson. Goodwin is out of his element coaching at AFL level. This is 90s-era football being coached in a completely different football era.

Melksham! That was 2018-esque

8 inside 50s for 2 scoring shots. richmond 3 entries, 2 shots on goal.

Ouft. What a start.

perfect. at least now we have an excuse for not scoring.

yes it's easy to be confident when your opposition is missing a bunch of players.