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Definitely Strawbs above but who is below?

http://www.theaustra...y-1226305683665 Its Steve O'Dwyer above Febey.

just wondering if anyone whose seen the photos of Jimmy's wake at the Middle Park Hotel on Page 2 of the H-Sun could tell me who it is looking down on the far left under Steve Febey?

Stretch shirked a contest and was tarred by that, but at his best was a very, very good player. If he was on our current list and at at his best he would probably be the best player we would have.

Jason Norrish - but he missed.

Surely if the chairman says the injury to Dangerfield (who has a history of risking head and a glass jaw) is not relevant, that at least gives the tribunal at least some cause to reconsider the points associated with high impact, then it just becomes the issue of the mechanics of the tackle and whether it was dangerous. WJ, I agree with your sentiments to an extent, but if the club deems an injustice to have occurred surely it must seek every avenue to defend its player?

One of the interesting things about the points accrued in the charge is that it is assessed as high contact. Correct me if im wrong but Trengove doesnt contact Dangerfield high, the ground does. Could be a legal avenue.

I agree with Mr Morton that Jones' tweet is rubbish. The sentiment of it is fine, but it's a bad look for the club, its immature coming from a leader and quite frankly I'd be surprised if someone who could write something that inarticulate would actually know anything about the slain figure. Its just populist crap.

Good Stuff, WJ, think its also worth noting how close or rather the opportunity Melbourne had to secure David Wirrpanda as well during the Fremantle concession era. Had Darren Kowal been let go to the Dockers, Wirrpanda would have been a Demon.

Not sure anyone can say its fair that they can target and take Murphy or anyone else for that matter, but clearly there is a snatching a baby out of a pram scenario here and it is more raw. Free Agency in American football ensures that teams get free acess to sign their young players at the end of their first contract and it's pretty clear the AFL has been naeve to not do the same in this instance. If when free agency comes into play the AFL follows the same path as the NFL and does not allow young players to become free agents after their first contract, then to lose Scully will be totally bizarre. The article is absolute nonsense. Mentioning White and insinuating that Melbourne has had this coming is ridiculous. We traded White for what he was worth after homesickness decreed that he leave Fremantle and return home. Had we not secured White we would have drafted Brad Ottens. You could argue Ottens would have yielded a similar output to White, who knows. In preceeding years, Richmond put a massive price on Darren Gaspar's head and stole him from Sydney through the pre-season draft, where the Swans got nothing. Gaspar was taken pick two, Melbourne (not being able to afford or accommodate Gaspar's salary) drafted the delisted Craig Nettelbeck. You could argue that it is fair given this history for Richmond to lose Dustin Martin to GWS. Carlton sniped Nick Stevens and you can go on and on. We lost Farmer for less than market value. Phelan's notion that Scully is not in the same echelon as players GC poached is nonsense as well. His market value has proven that the AFL environment thinks he is. He is effectively valued at $1 million per year. Then he goes on the bleed about Adelaide's tale of woe and their loss of Nathan Bock. The Crows are privately pleased to have lost him following issues with his spouse and his irredeemible thirstyness and Walker lived on the SA border and they gave nothing to get him and had free access to him basically. It's just a rubbish article.

Campbell was used a few times by the Hawks as a full-back. Im pretty sure he played on the Neitz and Barry Hall types at various stages.

I think people talking about Lucas Cook being taken too early are off the mark. Here is a player that's been through the elite player programs and identified as an immense key position talent for a very long time and has capped that off with an All-Australian under 18 championship selection this year. Obviously the club bypassed Smedts and Atley who were the obvious two that slid past, along with perhaps Jayden Pitt, but to me there weren't players taken that are demonstratively better players than Cook, who at 196cm has the ability to really work from the CHF position to make contests, pressure ball carriers, but also take contested marks and kick goals. Dont think he is like Watts at all, more a traditional key forward, with a workmanlike bent to his game. He also has the tools to play CHB as well. Long term - Watts, Jurrah, Cook look a multidimensional, harmonious potential key forward mix. Haven't seen Howe play but I dont think he's a Robertson type going from the videotapes, just has the ability to jump and take a hanger, but looks to have a bit of X-factor, but also a bit of balance and poise about himself. Seems decent insurance for Jurrah.

Perhaps its more a case of them playing seniors this week and giving them a swansong. Surely also the knowledge they are delisted will allow them a chance to be watched by clubs during the VFL finals with them being on the market. Might not necessarily affect anyone negatively, though I concede it your scenarios could be right and that would be disappointing.

Disgrace is far too firm a language. Maric played well but at the end of the day McDonald, Moloney and Trengove were always going to demand a game and some unlucky players miss out.

Before my time, but Alan Rowarth was apparently a fair player, very under-rated!

Perhaps but I think he was in the gun after last week, along with Miller and a few others. Morton has been coasting in a footballing no man's land for much of his career to date and the club's usage and coaching of him is probably to blame. Last week he was pretty poor and basically he doesnt do anything apart from working hard to find space and then being a link in a chain. To be good playing that type of game your skill level and pace and run have to be elite and he doesn't provide that. I think the club needs to find him a solid role, whether it be as a match up defender, a mobile tall forward or an out and out traditional wingman, because as a floating rebounding defender he is of very little benefit to the team, and that's to say nothing of the area he really needs to lift in and that is being able to contest physically at AFL level, requiring an upgrade in his courage or application of courage and more pure physical strength.

Just remember had Simon Black not played against us earlier this year, we would have won by 20 goals. The Tigers beat Brisbane without Black and Brown. A great effort no doubt, but nothing with which to make concrete assertions about and certainly nothing with which to have a go at Bailey about.

If theyre breaching the cap this year, what else can they do.

pretty good mate, had a couple of chuckles.

As usual I agree, Bob, in principal, but if the Tigers satisfy the criteria at the end of 2011 surely they ought get one, if we did. We didnt deserve Sylvia, we didnt deserve Trengove, I would rather other clubs get the same opportunities, than be deemed a club that tanked a premiership.

This is absolute rubbish, the two reasons Richmond didnt bottom out badly were Matthew and Richardson, had he not been there they would have hardly won a game and the fact that they finished 2008 in a blaze of glory, which went against the grain, has cost them dearly. Let's understand what the system is, the system is not there to be utilised, its not something clubs are meant to influence by not playing at their best or by underperforming. the draft rules are a machinery which equalise the competition and in a cyclical way are meant to give every team its chance at the top. Richmond haven't done anything, seemingly, to take advantage of the system, so why when it needs the machinery to improve should it be denied. Its ridiculous. The enemy here is not Richmond, or Melbourne, or tanking, the fact is the new Gold Coast rules are basically going to castrate Richmond in its current form. I dont give a fiddler's f u c k to be honest about the Tigers, but the game wont be well served by them being a basket case and the argument that they have made their bed sleep in it is ridiculous too, otherwise Tigers fans would have been well in their right mind going "[censored] the financially decrepid Demons off five years ago, dont give them handouts, let it stew in the misery of its financial predicament." Sometimes we've got to look beyond just Melbourne FC and to the bigger picture of the game and there is no reason why if we got a pick that the Tigers shouldnt as well when their team is half as good as what ours was last year. The last point is that the year we drafted Grimes, Morton, Maric etc was a year we were trying to do well in but failed. That we've completely rebuilt after that and used the system is fine, calculated and clever, but it was no great 5 year planning miracle, it was foist upon the club.

Youre right I thought Richmond won 4.5 last year, but my point is that Richmond should receive a pre-draft priority pick, like we did, if they are bad enough to warrant it. This would be at the end of 2011.

Richmond's recruiting is irrelevant. Are you saying that Melbourne's recruiting and list management was excellent in the lead-up to three years in the bottom two rungs on the ladder. It's one-eyed drek. Your argument should deem that no team should ever have a priority pick ever and that we should hand back Trengove to the draft. No that's right Melbourne has cleverly been awful, but Richmond are just awful in and of themselves, even though in the last 15 years they have won more home and away games than us.

Why not? What sort of argument is that?

The Tigers deserve a priority picks just as we did. When you say "We've had to work it out" what are you saying? That we needed to be so bad to get the high picks and rebuild. Why shouldnt Richmond get that opportunity. In any case the AFL cant give the Tiges the number one pick because Gold Coast have already committed to drafting David Swallow.