Nasher

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Given it’s unlikely they’ll be physically ready to hold down heavy ruck minutes it’s going to be a real struggle to get both Kyah and Verrall in the same VFL side. Especially with a first and second year key forward up forward. Plus a first year key defender and a medium tall who’s come from school footy.

We haven’t messed around with too many project players in the Goodwin era, and especially since the cut down on footy cap, which hasn’t jumped back to pre covid levels. That’s allowed us to keep big numbers on the training track and train to a high standard with a lot of competitive drills.

I’m happy we’re seemingly keen to use Casey as a development side and that we’ve got some quality talls on the list. But 2 baby project rucks at the same time seems hard work, not to mention we haven’t replaced Daw as the 3rd string ready to go ruck either. 

Really for Casey rucks, there are two strategies that are both valid, depending on circumstance:

1- a "ready to go" senior ruck and a developing ruck. Pros: player immediately available to backfill if a senior ruck gets injured. Cons: ready to go (and probably AFL NQR) ruck hogs all the game time at Casey, seriously impedes the development of the developing ruck
2- two development rucks, with the better of the two getting the lion's share of gametime at Casey. Pros: bets are hedged if one of them turns out to be no good. Cons: both could turn out to be no good.

With Gawn and Grundy both in the side, strategy 2- makes the most sense to me. It's a position of luxury, really. We don't really hurt too badly if one of the seniors gets injured; we just make do with TMac or Schache playing second ruck. If they both go down obviously we're stuffed, but I don't think having a Daw like player really mitigates that anyway.

When Jackson was on the list, developing rucks weren't a priority. Jackson was the development ruck, it just so happened that he was good enough that he could do it in the senior side. Now the only rucks on our list are on the wrong side of 30 (edit: whoops, I've added years to Grundy. Oh well, point remains the same). I think finding the next one is a pretty urgent priority and it's risky business putting all our eggs in one basket.

2 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

And not a peep out of the commentary team, because they are on the AFL payroll to promote this sub-standard officiating for the ‘good of the game’

Indeed. It comes at a much greater cost too in these low scoring games. Frustrating.

1 minute ago, BDA said:

No awareness fitzsimons. could have dished it to bannan

Although she kicked it.

6 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

One of my mates has only just started parking at Mac Point after UTas kicked him out of his previous spot.

I’ve been considering trying out one of the park and ride services in Kingston (I live in the Huon) as Mac Point is burning a hole in my pocket. This might encourage me to finally do it, although obviously it’s a while away yet.

Oh for proper public transport.

Damn, where they want to build that stadium is where I park my car for work every day. What a personal inconvenience.

I have to confess to not getting on board with the AFLW much. Not out of sexist belligerence that you see from the blokes on facebook, but because I just haven’t made the time. The PF was the first game I’ve watched this year and the standard of the game is through the roof compared to previous years. It’s amazing what a few years of training in a professional environment and actually having a pathway to get there makes.

Saw the hallmark of a really good side in the second half. North were completely on top but the damage on the scoreboard was minimal, then we crushed them in the last. Got goosebumps with Daisy’s sealer. Looking forward to the granny.

20 minutes ago, Its Time for Another said:

Nasher all respect to you but please if you're going to respond to my Posts please represent them accurately. In my post I explained that the damage I suffered was caused by the hackers hijacking my email address and sending emails out using my email address. That was what caused all the problems not them sending emails to me. I don't know how it is done but it is a well known hack. 

You told a cautionary tale about how your email was hacked and it caused you a great deal of damage, in the context of a thread discussing a member having access to your email address. I drew an inference that you saw this as being a risk here. I'm not misrepresenting you, I think that inference is reasonable. If it's not what you were trying to communicate, then I can't draw any other link between what you've posted and the topic at hand.

20 minutes ago, Its Time for Another said:

It's clear from my post I talked about Optus and Medibank and Lawrence in the context of each ones cyber security. I didn't compare the type of data that is exposed. I also didn't say all my data. My grammar was poor when I said all our data what I meant was the data of all 66,000 of us. 

You said this: "This joker has got front page publicity in national newspapers about getting all our personal data". He has not got yours or anyone's personal data. Optus and Medibank have your personal data. 

20 minutes ago, Its Time for Another said:

Nasher all respect to you but please if you're going to respond to my Posts please represent them accurately. In my post I explained that the damage I suffered was caused by the hackers hijacking my email address and sending emails out using my email address. That was what caused all the problems not them sending emails to me. I don't know how it is done but it is a well known hack. 

It's clear from my post I talked about Optus and Medibank and Lawrence in the context of each ones cyber security. I didn't compare the type of data that is exposed. I also didn't say all my data. My grammar was poor when I said all our data what I meant was the data of all 66,000 of us. 

This is starting to go around in circles. In summary some people like you and Tim and Dr G evidently don't care at all about the risk of this data being in the hands of Lawrence and his faceless group. Others like me do care. I've asked for their details and a description of their cyber security. They ignored the requests. They are faceless and practice being unaccountable. There's plenty of other risks of having personal addresses and emails hacked. Maybe in a community of 66,000 there's domestic abuse sufferers who don't want their details exposed. Maybe people with personal security risks. Maybe these people like most of us didn't know that an MFC membership exposes their details to someone like Lawrence. He was given the option at the end of the court case for the club to send out his emails so our data wouldn't be at risk from him. He insisted on getting our data for himself. Why? Don't you think we should have a democratic right to decide where our data gets used and that right is greater than his right to pursue his personal agendas for the Club.

To be honest I think a request for documentation on how they are going to manage the list of email addresses they have been given going forward, is quite reasonable. I just don't think there's any plausible threat or danger to have come from him/them having my email address, and I think people are being a bit selective about their concerns when in reality, your email address is likely everywhere.

19 hours ago, Its Time for Another said:

Dr G normally love your work. But this is not your finest. I'll tell you a cautionary tale. I got my email address hacked a couple of years ago. The hackers used my email address to send out automated emails to 30,000 plus addresses every hour all over the world. This lead to my email address being registered on international registries as a spam address and being permanently blocked. That leads to it being rejected everywhere and everyone of those emails that goes out generates a detailed anti spam warning back to your email system. It literally means you're getting up to 100,000 email rejection notices per day. And it's impossible to stop. It goes on for weeks. This jammed our work email system and caused it to shut down so the entire business lost it's emails for some days. I was forced to quarantine and shutdown my email address. Have a think about how many places you use your email address. All had to be scraped and started again. I can't begin to tell you how many hours were lost over many many days for me and our whole business. Plus it damaged our corporate and personal credibility with people getting hundreds of these emails. They don't care it's from a hacker not you. You might think that's hilarious but I can assure you my business and I didn't. 

We've just seen the devastating impact of hackers getting hold of people's information at Optus and Medibank. It's turning into 10's if not 100's of millions of dollars of damages. Both these companies had excellent cyber security. This joker has got front page publicity in national newspapers about getting all our personal data and how unhappy a lot of members are about it. What cyber security do you think he has to stop the scenario above from happening especially as he has made himself a target with his publicity.  I have contacted them twice asking for their details so I can contact them and to find out what cyber security steps they are taking to protect our data. I have not had the basic courtesy of a reply on either topic. I am extremely concerned about this. 

How does having your email address equate to an increase risk of having your email hacked? Rhetorical question; it doesn't. It equates to an increased risk of receiving some emails - that's it. Your email address is everywhere. You used it to register your Demonland account. As an admin, I could click on your profile right now, see it, and email you. 

It's completely ridiculous to compare this to the Optus and Medibank breaches. He doesn't have all your personal data. He has your name, your address (which he already had, incidentally), and now your email address. The Optus and Medibank breaches gave enough personal data that in the wrong hands, could result in mass identity theft. That's not a plausible concern here.

3 hours ago, Bay Riffin said:

Glad he isn't Mitch. I thank god Mitch Hannan was playing for the doggies in the grand final. With the doggies 19 points up and stifling all our moves late in the third quarter, Hannnan got a dubious free 55m out. with the elastic band about to break Macrae runs past (chased by a hapless Gawny) to take the handpass and what would be a sure shot on goal or hitting someone up. I thought we are in serious trouble here. The handpass is terrible, lands at his feet and ends up in a stoppage. We were about to go 25 points down with even less time to go. What might have been. 

And then there was this:

Players will always have plenty of moments to remember and those they'd rather not.

I believe Hunter also had a moment to forget in the GF, taking a bounce on the wing and having the ball bounce out of bounds. I think the game was done and dusted by then - last quarter?

2 hours ago, ucanchoose said:

Which I quickly did. And emailed my displeasure at their email, which was just whiney nonsense 

It contained very similar content to the one from the club in regards to the court case, ie “we tried really hard to avoid this but waaaah unreasonable other party”. The only difference is one came from a @melbournefc email address and the other didn’t, and that is colouring your perception.

2 hours ago, Stu said:

Did you used to post on the Melbourne Victory board under the same @Nasher? It seems very familiar from around the time I would frequent that board.

Not I!

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I have had a few chats with Beelz through inbox and have asked this exact question why he doesn't post anymore, but he's very silent on this.

Rhino, well he can just keep to reacting and being silent..

Personally I’m glad both are still around, even if they have their reasons for not posting. I butted heads with @beelzebuba bit back in the day, but I have no hard feelings at all. We’re all Demons and my opinion, all fundamentally on the same side at heart.

Moderating the forum was a hard and busy job in the early days, @Rhino Richards was one of the few that had the stomach for it. I am personally thankful he was around and I wish he’d pop his head in from time to time.

I hope both those guys enjoyed the flag.

25 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

@Sir Why You Littleis paying homage to the Warner Brothers Cartoons i grew up watching (and still watch today!) I decided to Knight myself a few years ago, when Tony Abbott was throwing them around Willy Nilly 

Still cannot believe that Abbott was Actually The Australian Prime Minister for a period of time. Sends shivers down my spine!!

I always assumed it was paying homage to Homer Simpson!

1 minute ago, tilly18 said:

I had beers with you back in 2009 after a NAB game in Launceston. Roughead kicked to last goal of the game for us to lose by 3 points. I was with Lukey26 from Demonology. 

Yes, I recall! Didn’t realise you were still about on here.

I sat with Lukey26 at that game. I’m still (just) in touch with her. She was @WhateverItTakeson here, don’t think she’s active though.

7 minutes ago, old55 said:

I'd definitely care. Along with @Whispering_Jack and @Demonland you're the engine of the site Nasher.

I've made some very valuable lifelong friendships from Demonology/Demonland and the community has enhanced my life.

Thank you.

Same goes for me in having enhanced my life. I’d say it’s also amplified my love and fanaticism for the club. 

Just now, DeelightfulPlay said:

Oh I quite liked your user name having Bnag for the middle Bang!  It's a great user name regardless though

I believe they are different people. This BBB was previously “Sylvia Saint” and then “No Plan B”.

Question: when I click on people’s profile, there’s a little circular arrow that shows their name history. Does everyone see that, or do I only see that as admin? I used to have a non-admin account to check this stuff, but haven’t used it in too many years now.

1 hour ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

A little off-topic I know, but since when has that ever stopped me, amirite?! 

One day I got to thinking about how if someone dies suddenly their online contacts may never know. To this end I had a convo with my middle son. I said, “if I was to die suddenly, don’t worry about FB, nor Insta, nor any of the band forums I’ve ever been on, there’s just one thing I want you to do online. I want you to tell my friends on Demonland that I’m dead. You don’t have to create an account, just log in under my account and let them know.”

He said, “so, to be clear… if you die you want me to log into your fan forum, as you, to tell them you’re dead. Okaaay” 😳

So I said “ok then, create your own account for the purpose. You could call yourself SOWCW as in Son Of WCW.” He said, “nah, I’d be Walking Civil Unrest, and he (points to his younger brother) can be Walking Minor Spat.”  😂

Yep, we put the FUN in dysFUNctional!

I’ve thought about that a lot over the years too. I’ve been on Demonland for a really long time, but the only members I’ve ever personally spoken to are Andy and WJ, @Grapeviney, @Jaded No More, @old55 and @Slartibartfast, and all only fairly anecdotally, and a really long time ago in the case of the latter three. Nevertheless many of the usernames here feel familiar to me and I feel like I know the personality attached, even if it’s a mostly imagined one based on what they write. It’s a community here. We all know each other, even if it’s a very curated version of ourselves. Every now and again I’ll see an old thread where a name I haven’t seen in ages comes up, and I see they haven’t visited in years and I wonder what happened?

Occasionally I also morbidly wonder if anyone on Demonland would know or care if I did die. Given I have no personal connection to anyone on here the news may never filter through. How depressing!

Best subtle name change was Big_red_fire_engine (Broady) to @Lil_red_fire_engine(Bowser) late last year in the run towards the flag. The symbolism of letting go of the sad past and embracing the exciting new future couldn’t have hit the mark better for me. I believe he’d been BRFE since the Aimoo days too, so pre-2005.

2 hours ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Yes, until a few years ago I thought Pennant was a Saint. 
My favs are @Ithinkimgawnaleverand @wonnabeeri

@titan_uranusfor me.

@deanox- deano-x or dean-ox?

@Clint Bizkitis still my favourite culture merger. There’d be a whole generation of Demonlanders who have no idea what either references are now. We’re getting old!

My surname isn’t Nash. Nasher was out of a game I used to play 25 years ago, and when I was an online gamer in my youth I started using it as an alias to my normal name when I wanted some anonymity, and for a brief period in the early 00s it became the alias I used everywhere. It has no relevance at all in my life now and this is the only presence where I still use it. 

End life story.
 

21 minutes ago, old dee said:

There is something here we are not being told. Odd.

That was my thought too. What issue could possibly have come to light now that wasn’t apparent in July, that warrants this drastic a response with this timing?

It is possible that the St Kilda administration is just completely incompetent though. Either way I’d be furious as a Saints fan.

2 minutes ago, Dante said:

Rocket Rod Owen, great footballer but destroyed by his previous club. You need to read his story to understand how they mishandled him and ruined his life, we tried ti fit him but it was too late.

Yep, I read Owen’s story, it was awful. He was failed by so many people for so many years.

Nevertheless I don’t think that’s the level of damage we’re dealing with here with Hunter, and even if it was, hopefully we’re a bit better equipped to deal with it than we were in 1991.

This is just Tim Lamb’s gift to all of you who were all primed to be outraged about the Grundy trade and now need an outlet, as that one unexpectedly (in your minds) went good. Some people just always need to be furious and critical about something.

I’m not one of them. Welcome Josh. Hope you are able to turn things around at the MFC.

I’m super stoked with this. I think it takes serious guts, in the face of losing a potentially once in a generation ruckman to go “y’know what would really complement the best ruckman in the competition? The second best ruckman in the competition.”

Obviously Gawn and Grundy have bought in to whatever the vision for this setup is too. Goody, Richo, Lamb and co are either going to go down as visionaries or madmen for this. I’m on board for the former.

3 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Lol

Pies: WE THREATEN TO KEEP OUR AA RUCKMAN THAT WE’VE OVERPAID FOR AND CAN’T AFFORD UNDER THE SALARY CAP

Us: o…..k?