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This may be controversial as there is all the hate for LJ now, but i think that is poor leadership if true. We should be about winning games of footy, not being petty and selfish. I know a few time it has happened this year, and not just JV and LJ, but it shows that there is a cultural issue happening. As i mentioned before our leaders are really gong to be be tested here to get the season back on track

Yes agree, it has been pretty evident for a few weeks now. The buy in to the team seems to be lacking this year, you can see it in defense in big moments and you can see it offensively. This is a really big test for Goody, Max and Jack, to make sure there is 100% buy in for this season and moving forwards

Interestingly it is all about aexy football at the moment. Offense is clearly beating up on defences at the moment. Afl will be happy

At this stage of the season i think it is more likely that the ball movement is a lot faster and we are unable to keep up.

Let them have their moment, lets see what happens in 5 weeks time when the real season starts.

Yeh that was an absolute joke, i am not sure whats was better, that or the bump ball that was paid a mark. I readily accept errors get made in games, but consistent one officiating is hard to swallow.

Agree, As much as i hate to say it, credit to the dogs, they played well. Oliver, Gawn and Tracc were all down on influence on the game, regardless of what actually happened their better players had a better run. Dale, Treloar, Bont and Smith cut us up when it counted. And with how badly we played in teh 2nd half, we still should have won.

Well i won't go that far, after last nights performance i can't say i disagree. It is actually not the umpires fault, it's AFL house and their interpretation of how they want the game played. But the most frustrating thing about the interpretation is, how do you have wildly different interpretation in the one game>

My thoughts pretty much mirror these as well, annoyed the dogs were allowed to stay close, which you can directly attribute to the quality of the umpiring. But when you sit back for s a second and analyses in the cold light of day, we did butcher opportunities late and the dogs played very well. English held Gawn to minimal influence and Clarry went out of the game in the 2nd half. On top of that we missed shots and made mistakes (May). It was a completely different game to what we normally play (high pace and quick ball movement) and we did pretty well considering. As bitter as it was to lose, it wasn't all bad news. Just very frustrating

It all helps. We failed to finish the but equally the umpires helped them gain momentum. Umpiring remains blight on the game

All good mate. Appreciate the info Go dees

Thanks SWYL, any news on Gus or what's holding things up? I do find it strange players would consider leaving now.

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Shouldn't Danger just be focused on shortening games and the season to keep his career going?

Interestingly looking at the ladder we have conceded the least points against in the league. Us, Freo, Cats and Port are the leaders. I'm not champion data by any stretch but compared to the league we seem to hold up quiet well. Obviously last Thursday night was an outlier conceding 90 points. We know the kids are elite at clearance and we know when got our defence is elite. The problems seem to be related to mids not hitting the scoreboard and inefficiency inside the F50 and or locking it in for repeat entries when getting it in there. I'm not 100% sure what the issues are and if it relates to personnel or connection or fitness (intensity) but maybe a combination of all? Will be interesting to see how the next 6 weeks play out but if we don't bring intensity for contest each week we are vulnerable defensively with the way teams move the ball now.

Not sure if it's been asked, but what impact does the new head off fitness play in this? We seem to be a little off the pace this year defensively and offensively.

Although only one game Weid didn't do too badly as the 2nd ruck vs the crows either. Will be interesting to see how they throw the forward line together for the next 6 weeks

I agree with your point one dee. Personally though I'd like to see us play more quick emails and force our kids/attackers to start using them rather than bombing to contested talls. This is easier said then done and we will still need talls like brown/weeds etc. But I want to see more pacy smalls like Chandler, Bedford and kozzy in the same forward line. Obviously nibbles fritcsch and Spargo roles need to be considered but of we have more aggressions and pace we might fix a few issues

All good mate, I understand nothing is set in stone and lots of water to go under the bridge. Thanks for the info. I'm glad we're looking in to the issue of forward half representation. I always knew TMac played a role but wowee have we fallen off a cliff dramatically without him.

Very interesting Nev. I'm actually not against the move. Gives JVR a chance to develop while we use TMac Brown & Walker short term. There is no hiding from it now our forward half is a shambles atm

100% agree

Tex and Lever get along well from memory? How times have changed

He layed some ripper bumps on Thursday. Was great to watch.

isn't this as simple as player effectiveness scale? All this does is rate players by categories (which aren't listed) and say these players are elite in a particular category. I don't think it is anything lose our minds over. For example J McGovern is a prime example of a player whos had a lot of work and is likely very good at what he does. I doubt anyone would be surprised that he is leading a defensive category. It really comes down to interpretation or lack of.

To be fair, Last year we didn't beat the pies, and we were lucky to beat the Swans. Freo we played very early in the year. So for all the over reacting we might not be that far off where we were last year. Time will tell post the break.