bush demon

I am hearing you, but I am saying that football would have been re-constitued. You can't legislate against people kicking a pig-skin.

the debt has been transferred and magnified many times over. we are now beholden to the gambling industry, otherwise many clubs reliant on head office to stay afloat. the cream of victorian talent is running around in fluoro, power shirts at spotless stadium and cararra coliseum. the s.a and w.a local competitions have been decimated and their best players have to fly across the country every second week meaning it is hard for those states to win premierships. so what if the vfl curled up in 1986. At least it was real football on real football grounds. despite these prophesies, the game would have re-emerged and the government would have come to the party, no matter what is said in this article. oh, and fitzroy would still be with us. so would south.

1965 is an interesting parallel. We were the top team and had been winning a very high percentage of games up to mid-season, when we started losing a high percentage of games. The drop-off was probably unprecedented in league history.

If you are THE Barrie Vagg then you are one of my pop idols of the 60's. I remember speaking to you at a Fed Square gathering of legendary demons a couple of years ago. I do notice from old stats that you missed a few 'snaps' in the '64 grand final though!

Like Vardy, he is a finisher. Farmer and Davey more spectacular, but Garlett doesn't seem to miss when the ball's in motion.

How would you compare Garlett with other small forwards of the past: Vardy, Farmer, Davey, not to mention Barry Vagg?

Saviours 2.0: Jimmy Stynes That mining guy Tiddles Ridley Dennis Jones Bobby Skilton probably could all be added to the list of mighty saviours.

Patrick Dangerfield Lance Frankenfield Jeremy Cameron Gaddy Ablett Todd Goldstein As Cher would say, the list goes on.

The saviours: Ed Burston John Tilbrook Kelvin Templeton Carl Ditterich Glenn Swann David Cordner Brent Crosswell others?

I'm so over this flimsy 'rating' + critiquing of players like they are tradeable swapcards. Either you support the guys on the ground or you don't. The defenders aren't sitting in a bar in front of a flat-screen; they make instant decisions for better or worse to break the lines or improve the team position. they don't have the luxury of being internet scribes assessing options from a distance. Lynden Dunn has been a warrior and a true demon for many years now. I get sick of this whittling-down that is so prevalent here. As if the players could ever come to the standards of the footballer/typists who lord over them.

Ha ha. Loved the ref. To the UFO's in Clayton. That was near Westall Primary school, adjacent to our Whiteside Primary school. Witnesses to the UFO included several teachers including I think the principal.

Love these kind of discussions. The Saints had opened us up before, in the closing phase of Smith's reign, exposing weaknesses that had been papered over by our crafty coach. Once was mid-season 1964, and the other was Ditterich's first game could have been a final in very early 60's. I remember in the primary school playground kids used to scream 'Cooper!' When going for a mark. Ian Cooper was another of the high flyers we had no answer to in this period.

The blessing? Since when is any coach entitled to secretly encourage an all-time club champion to leave the club. Smith must surely have known what this would/could do to the club. If Smith had such knowledge then the MFC and club supporters also had a right to know. Given the coach's bitterness towards the board over the Russell Blew matter he did not act in the club's best interests.

He has excellent hands, just didn't get it enough in the past. Smart footballer, and improving in this team.

+ $5 so Rance could replace his shat-in jocks.

Andrew Wu, low-rent commentator like the coward in the crowd cheering on a bully. Watts, seen to be easily picked on, too good for Richmond. Hang your heads in shame Fairfax for hiring this writer.

Rance = Rancid. Sniping reminiscent of Jimmy O'Dea on John Greening.

Would have tarnished his brand staying at Melbourne. You've just got to read Red Fox where Norm Smith resented Crompton playing out of position in GF, even though it won us the premiership. I think the club had become a weird place by mid-60's with too much success.

I like the sentiment, but where does Ronald Dale fit into this scenario? No lap of honour, no valedictory. Just woke up one morning in a Carlton jumper with threee thousand pounds in his pocket.

'Making the eight' is really meaningless. It's about making the final four.

Ha, ha. Good call in hindsight. I'm tipping Piping Lane to win the 1971 Melbourne Cup, myself.

Hang on, I once gave you a lift to Casey Fields, deeluded! it's an issue in soccer too. i gave football away at 24 when a guy king hit me in a pack. i spent the rest of the game trying to chase him round for payback. i remember at one of those games Daniel Bell getting hit so hard that you could here the collision from 30-40 metres away. As for soccer, it's a great game. don't have to dislike one to like the other.

Concussion IS a big issue, and unlike memory, won't go away. Riewoldt and Bartel will have trouble remembering their careers if medical science is right.

It's up to the administrators to keep it nice. i have never subscribed to some of the free speech character assassinations on here, esp. the ones which are pretentiously prefixed as "op's".

Ron Barassi got four weeks for 'missing' Roger Dean (v Richmond) end of '63 season, as a result he missed the entire '63 finals series, a flag that got away.