daisycutter

Hmmm, don't remember Doc Weildon, what year would that be?

No No, I don't want to rewrite history, nor not respect the heritage. I embrace and devour it all That doesn't mean that I want to restore or return to all aspects our heritage. A good example I gave before was the Fuschias. You're welcome to make a heritage connection to white, I grant it has a certain logic, and it is an interesting tidbit, it just doesn't do anything for me re a predomoinately white clash jumper. Nearly every team now has a white clash jumper, from a distance they all look the same, so where is the "we are Melbourne" look?

Great memories Pitmaster. Bobby Skilton was also a great exponent of the stab and drop kick, and images of Donny Williams streaming off the backline with a 60m drop kick are still vivid in my memory. Or Billy Barrot pumping a drop kick from the centre bounce into the square I still bemoan the demise of these kicks. They weren't for all players but for those few who mastered it, it was a joy to watch. I wonder who was the last player to (deliberately) kick a drop kick in VFL/AFL?

As WYL said, no problem with you embracing it, whatever your reason. It's your opinion. As for the "Invincible Whites" rationalisation, for me personally it has no currency or great meaning. Just a byline in history as is "Fuschia's" and many other arcane aspects of MFC's history. I do still have a big soft-spot for "Redlegs" and wish we could have two nicknames, but that would not be very practical. At least it lives on in the membership group.

Huh? I just checked, it says nothing about a reply to you on the post header. You did brag in a previous post that your "stock in trade" was sarcasm and flippancy I hope you have a plan B Like I said, lighten up sunshine

Hey, Sheesh, lighten up rfpc, This post was not aimed at you nor in reply to you - whatever made you think that? Just a bit of light hearted satire and not meant to be personal to anyone

Breaking News: Melbourne 3rd August 2010 - AFL to introduce high tech solution for clash jumper disaster Along with the new electronic boundary and goal detector systems (eBAG) to be introduced for next season, the AFL announced today a revolutionary new computerised electronic team-mate anti clash system (eTAC) that will also be debuted in time for next season. This will allow players and spectators to easily identify their team-mates and avoid the need for the unpopular clash jumpers. Secret trials have recently been completed by ACS (Myki developer) and proven to be 101% effective. Details of this amazing breakthrough are still being kept under wraps but the basics were announced at the press release today. Players will have a microscopic electronic chip imbedded under their skin and attached to the nervous system. This chip which contains a next generation GPS will both identify the player and receive feedback of all teammates which in turn using AI techniques will be transformed into discrete nerve impulses. Communications is said to use a new proprietary version of the popular Bluetooth technology (called Blue&RedTooth) allowing communications upto 200 metres. Special highly secure encryption will be implemented to avoid hackers attempting to interfere. The technology will be rolled out in phases. Phase 1 will allow the players to identify their team-mates. Phase 2 will provide for spectators to purchase special side-lit glasses containing an utra thin see-through LCD panel which can receive the communications and provide various options to highlight players. Details were still secret. Phase 3 will allow TV broadcasters to pickup the signals and modify their broadcasts. They could then use the information to provide coloured electronic pointers, reverse-image or player name labels on their screen as an identification aid. With all the players GPS information cable operators were expected to provide extra value-add pay-for services. Leading Teams has won the contract to train the players in bio-feedback techniques to utilise this new technology. Training is expected to commence early in the new year and be completed before the NAB cup. Further details on this exciting new development will be announced during Grand Final week. Leading civil rights activists have praised the AFL for finally putting to rest their (predominately) White Australia policy but were concerned about whether AFL players would be able to cope with artificial intelligence, and have recommended all players be offered adequate counselling in case of nervous system overload. OK, I know, but it was slow day . . . .

Melbourne 2nd August 2010 - The AFL today announces radical solution to clash jumper controversy Under pressure from passionate supporter groups the AFL has announced that from April 1 next year all clubs will be required to adhere to new specifications for home and away strips . The CEO of the AFL, Andrew Dimitriou said today that this issue had been drawn to his attention by various supporter groups but especially the Melbourne Demons supporter group DEMONLAND. Mr. Dimitriou said that the AFL was not an autocratic organisation and was always interested in a level-playing field for all clubs. He said the AFL was especially interested in the views of the supporters and saw them as the true custodians of the game. From April 1 next year all clubs will be required to have two identical strips. One jumper will be fluoro-pink for the home strip, while fluoro-yellow will be used as the away strip. Socks will match the jumpers. As a respect for the traditions of the game shorts will be black for the home team and white for the away team. Clubs will be able to highlight their traditional colours by adding an emblem to the jumper and/or shorts not exceeding 97mm wide by 119mm high. Sponsor logo rules will remain as is. Numbers on the back of the jumpers will remain the same size but be white on a black square. Leading club officials and TV executives contacted today for comment were unanimously in favour of the changes and said that the AFL's forward thinking on this matter should herald in a new phase of this great game. PM Julia Gillard said it was "pleasing to see the AFL moving forward" whilst Leader of the Opposition Tony Abbot said "it was good for the AFL to stand up for real action'' .

OK, you're excused

Haha! keep us posted on your progress pilgrim

Understand all that BD, I just thought you might have a better idea of TV's POV , if indeed they even have a strong opinion on this. Its just that others have suggested it was an issue for them

Agree. But clubs now spend a fortune on trying to gain that 0.1% difference I'm not convinced it does make a performance difference, but highly trained professional athletes can be such temperamental creatures that I wonder if. Anyway, I'm not totally against a clash jumper of some sort, but only against those teams it can be shown to be a genuine clash (not as is now the case). Heck, I wouldn't even mind if we had multiple clash jumpers designed by MFC specifically for the couple of teams we might genuinely clash with (without the predominant white). i.e. our home jumper, plus a couple of predominately red & blue by decreasing the clash colour/ OK, might not happen . . . . but . . .

A question for BD and WYL Its been said that TV stations are dictating (to a point) to the AFL over clash jumpers. This I don't really understand. Games now are played on better grounds with better drainage, lighting etc. therefore players are not obscured by mud and overcast conditions. TV is now high definition digital and infinitely clearer than before. My eyesight is not what it was yet I have no real clash issues watching TV. So, can you explain the TV stations point of view?

Good for you WYL. Keep it up. Dont let the snipers and bullies bother you. Its all about ego to them

Rhino - the moderate "moderator" sometimes it's best to say nothing if you have nothing to add to the discussion

Au contraire. The discussion is quite interesting. I don't agree necessarily with some points (on either side) but it is certainly thought provoking. It's especially great to see more passion around this club. Sometimes its just the finest of points that makes a difference. We should never totally close our minds to different POVs. he AFL has changed its mind on many things before. AFL personnel come and go, circumstances change. Might take a few years or many years but nothing is a done deal for ever. There are many supporters who have been waiting over 40 years, we are a patient, passionate lot. This club may have strayed from its traditions for a while (to its great detriment) but is now re-embracing them in the most positive way. We may not make a major change on this issue but we may gain some concessions (e.g. on which games are genuine clashes) but thats no excuse to rollover. Red & Blue forever

As said ad nauseum, it was never about winning/losing. But you're welcome to quit the discussion if you like

"I've never heard anything more pathetic." You mustn't get out much.

What happens? According to some you turn into a nuff-nuff idiot who won't move on! Something to look forward too, huh? Maintain the rage

Truly, the thread title was a warning you know

You really don't know what that means? Or are you just being coy? I don't see that poster-abuse adds anything to your argument. Just try sticking to your POV and try not to belittle others to make a point. Got it? I have no problem with your POV, its your opinion. I just have a different POV. Is that too hard to comprehend? Have a nice evening

I'd rate Trengove in our top 12. His best asset is he can play mid, forward and back I'd have him back in the side in a flash. Probably for Bail. Not that Bail "deserves" it but that Trengove is more valuable I don't envy the match commitee with Moloney, Trengove, Warnock, Tapscott to be fitted in in the next few weeks (maybe Gysberts, McNamara too) Who'd have thought we would have these problems so soon (and thats not counting longer term injured in Grimes, Petterd)

Lighten u E25 Its an opinion forum, OK Try playing the ball and not the man

Where do you get this red herring from????? Its NOT about winning/losing because of clash strip. Sheeesh! Its about being the red&blue not looking like some KKKlansman

Hey great idea rpfc. Why don't you send Stynesy a note, suggesting we revert our home guernsey to the invincible whites and change our nickname to the "Invincible White Fuschias". Stuff all this demons rubbish. Oh, and you could suggest we get a good place-kicker in the next deaft. If we all back you up on this will we still be nuff-nuffs? FFS