daisycutter

With the expected reduction of the interchange, it is expected the stock-ruckman role will change as far as the 2nd ruckman is concerned. Rucks will change more often in the forward line than interchange bench, and this should suit the Russian. The Russian will probably ruck at least 2/3 rds of the time, meaning the 2nd ruck will spend 2/3 or more playing on the forward line. This is hardly the profile of a "stock-ruckman". We need a tall who can pinch-ruck effectively but knows how to play a tall forward role but in our case not a key-forward role. Furthermore this is a temporary role for a couple of years until our own young talls develop. I think the role of a traditional second ruck could be numbered if the changes go through. The FD seem to think they need this type of player. So, is Hale the best available and affordable mature option going around? This can only be answered if compared to the alternatives. Who are the alternatives? And not "stock-ruckmen" please. I think Hale has shown the potential (for what we need) and is worth a risk, but obviously many others think he is a spud. So lets discuss and compare alternatives BTW I agree re the 3rd rounder + fringe player as the ideal price. North may even cover some of his contract salary??

I did say theoretically. I was just trying to emphasise a point that he's not being recruited as a key forward, but to provide some structure to free up and protect our younger developing key forwards in Watts and Jurrah. I would hope he will get 1-2 goals per game I would hope he provides a better ruck performance than PJ or anyone else we have If you can find a tree in the carpark to do that, fine For all those who don't want Hale, what is your better alternative

A legitimate concern. That will be the challenge for the FD (and of cause Hale).

He's not being recruited to be a "key forward". His job is partly to take the heat off the key forwards. In fact theoretically he could get no possessions and still do his job. He will be pretty well stay at home forward to contest the long kicks deep into the forward line. To either mark or provide a contest for the crumbers. Hopefully he takes a key opposition tall away from our key forwards. If he takes an odd grab and goal, which he is quite capable of, that is a bonus. His number one job in the ruck would be to ensure the opposition don't get any ruck supremacy whilst Jamar rests. If he can do more, again a bonus.

Does anyone know what time the next rocket leaves Earth. Any destination will do.

Not typical but Royce Hart played Rover when in the U16s Me . . . I'm still waiting for my growth spurt And Belzebub, 183cm is exactly 6'0" in the old scale (every 2.5cm approx, less or more is an inch)

Well I don't think anyone is claiming it is a risk free proposition. He's not being chased to be a future star. He would just have a relatively simple (as in straight-forward) role for upto 2 years until Spencil/Gawn/Fitzy develop. A change of scenery can often be positive and you've got to have a bit of trust in our FD Kinda depends whether you are half-full/half-empty glass type of guy Comparison to Miller is unfair as his role would be stay-at-home fwd not lead-up I would back him to outperform PJ in ruckwork He's a better mark than Dutchy and a much better kick for goal If we don't get him, then who else (realistically) would fit the role? I just hope we get a good deal re trades/salary

here is more on the song

instigated by Thornton apparently

according to this the song is changing too heavhos to drop song and anchor

where is the resting ruckman assuming interchange rules change (Hale?)

Must be some sort of competition going on between Vossy and Rats to see who is the most unpopular As long as the Dees are tight, I'll just sit back and enjoy it Wonder which club will implode next?

http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2010/10/01/more-blues-at-carlton/

Great. That's one less CLASH jumper match for us. (unless God Vlad sees it different. nice phantom colours too

Dion Prestia 12/10/1992 175 81 Calder Cannons/Assumption College "likes to kick a goal" he says Maric's size

Quite agree, and there is still room in the future for another line-breaking, elite-kicking defender

Now thats good. No Aints, no Filth this year. Vacant Premiership. But only one flag for next year, just in case the Filth get up. Suppose its too late to cancel tomorrow

Clark - 21/22yrs 200cm wants out >Hale>PJ. I thought White wasn't available? (and too expensive). Don't know enough about White.

hmmph! (looks like a 3-way battle for the last word)

and the other word was that heave-ho were not in a position to trade - hence the general interest

Would much prefer Mitch Clark from the Lions though if its now a possibility. What would he cost in terms of trades and $$$s?

Ah, glad you explained that, I didn't think you would be homophobic after your anti racial discrimination comments. Very obtuse though, didn't think anyone watched survivor these days, let alone the dialogue. Come to think of it, watching survivor may be worse than being homophobic

I got to agree with rpfc's logic here. Hale would have a very simple game role to play. Nothing complicated and as long as his head is in the right place, quite within his talents. My major concern is his reported salary and whether North would contribute towards it.

not really deezman, you f*****d up, you apologised, which was good of you, just let it die a natural death and the ripostes will cease.

but you told me lately we were both "s*** stirrers" rather passe, I'd rather be a "provocative m****r f****r", much more new-age E25 makes himself a rather large target, doesn't need your assistance Tis the silly season, but won't last for ever Was that flippant enough, doc?