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Sounds like good reason not to split pick 3 - THE DANDENONG STINGRAYS YOUNG GUN WHO IS A "BULLETPROOF" DRAFT CHOICE

There’s no question that Richmond took a risk with Sydney Stack and that it has paid off to date. I think it worked because the Tigers put in a lot of research and due diligence and then, in conjunction with Stack and his supporters, put in additional effort to make it so. A lot of follow through is needed to reduce risk. If we decide to go in that direction, that’s what’s needed irrespective of the price being asked by the player or his manager.

When you’re looking at players of the ilk of Bennell, Martin and Murray there’s always going to be some risk and I’m not sure whether any of them necessarily entail taking cheap risks. I would be very surprised if a Goodwin team took a risk with any one of the above three but if it did, a reformed Murray might be the one.

Such is the career of an AFL footballer. They had their opportunities and they now wait to see if they get a second chance. The other aspect of the delistings is what insights they provide in terms of what the direction it will take in the coming weeks. The club has five vacancies but only two picks of any substance - 3 & 8. Will it split either or both of those selections? Will it fill the remaining numbers with delisted free agents, a pre season draft selection or upgrade a rookie or two?

In his expanded Phantom Draft, Knightmare predicts Melbourne will take Hayden Young with pick 3 (not splitting the pick or nominating Tom Green) and Brodie Kemp with its next pick. Expanded AFL Phantom Draft: Risers, sliders and new names

Love it. I think that’s what makes pick 97 all the more alluring.

I don’t think that’s right. Here’s an article from the NTAFL site which identifies Andy Moniz-Wakefield who plays for Darwin's Nightcliff club as being a "Melbourne - Darwin Region Multicultural Selection" and two other NT players Tyrell Martin and Ariki Lowe as AFL Next Generation Academy players. UNDER 16 THUNDER BEGIN NATIONAL CAMPAIGN This suggests that the club has put work into young talented players in its (now former) Academy zone. If the AFL has awarded this area to Gold Coast, it is reasonable to ask what happens to the players who were already part of our Academy and what compensation is Melbourne going to receive for the loss of this zone which has produced several AFL champions - the Riolis, Michael Long etc.?

Believe Keays might end up at Gold Coast.

There’s always a flight risk with recruits from SA and WA but ultimately, you have to back yourself and your system in to keep good interstaters happy and invested in you.

Patrick Cripps is a WA boy, now captain of Carlton. No problem there.

Why?

Chris25 from Bigfooty usually goes well with his phantom drafts. This was from last month ~ 1. Matthew Rowell (178cm, 74kg from Vic Metro) 2. Noah Anderson (188cm, 86kg from Vic Metro) 3. Dylan Stephens (183cm, 69kg from SA) 4. Hayden Young (188cm, 82kg from Vic Country) 5. Tom Green (188cm, 85kg from NSW/ACT) 6. Will Gould (191cm, 98kg from SA) 7. Lachlan Ash (186cm, 80kg from Vic Country) 8. Finn Maginness (187cm, 80kg from Vic Metro) 9. Brodie Kemp (192cm, 82kg from Vic Country) 10. Luke Jackson (198cm, 94kg from WA) 11. Caleb Serong (178cm, 83kg from Vic Country) 12. Liam Henry (179cm, 67kg from WA) 13. Deven Robertson (182cm, 80kg from WA) 14. Sam Flanders (182cm, 81kg from Vic Country) 15. Cameron Taheny (185cm, 80kg from SA) 16. Fischer McAsey (195cm, 86kg from Vic Metro) 17. Elijah Taylor (185cm, 75kg from WA) 18. Cody Weightman (177cm, 73kg from Vic Country) 19. Will Day (187cm, 70kg from SA) 20. Josh Worrell (195cm, 74kg from Vic Metro) 21. Jeremy Sharp (187cm, 79kg from WA) 22. Karl Finlay (192cm, 88kg from SA) 23. Trent Rivers (188cm, 85kg from WA) 24. Darcy Cassar (183cm, 75kg from Vic Metro) 25. Cooper Stephens (188cm, 83kg from Vic Country) 26. Miles Bergman (186cm, 75kg from Vic Metro) 27. Kysaiah Pickett (170cm, 67kg from SA) 28. Jackson Mead (184cm, 83kg from SA) 29. Dylan Williams (185cm, 79kg from Vic Metro) 30. Mitch O’Neill (181cm, 70kg from Tasmania) 31. Dyson Hilder (196cm, 91kg from SA) 32. Trent Bianco (178cm, 70kg from Vic Metro) 33. Harrison Jones (194cm, 75kg from Vic Metro) 34. Harry Schoenberg (180cm, 78kg from SA) 35. Sam DeKoning (200cm, 85kg from Vic Country) 36. Mitch Georgiades (192cm, 80kg from WA) 37. Brock Smith (188cm, 81kg from Vic Country) 38. Sam Philp (185cm, 87kg from Vic Metro) 39. Jai Jackson (185cm, 80kg from WA) 40. Thomson Dow (183cm, 72kg from Vic Country) 41. Jay Rantall (184cm, 82kg from Vic Country) 42. Callum Park (188cm, 67kg from SA) 43. Joshua Shute (187cm, 73kg from SA) 44. Cooper Sharman (190cm, 80kg from Vic Metro) 45. Jake Pasini (192cm, 81kg from WA) 46. Flynn Perez (187cm, 82kg from Vic Country) 47. Nick Bryan (202cm, 87kg from Vic Metro) 48. Connor Budarick (175cm, 72kg from Gold Coast) 49. Malcolm Rosas Jnr (175cm, 70kg from NT) 50. Callum Jamieson (200cm, 81kg from WA

A resource for all the players: AFL Draft Central - Draft Pool

WHO HAS WHAT PICKS? Adelaide Crows: 4, 23, 28, 37, 45, 49 Brisbane Lions: 16, 21, 34, 48, 52, 55, 72 Carlton: 9, 43, 57, 70, 85 Collingwood: 35, 62, 74 Essendon: 31, 33, 61, 64, 65, 88 Fremantle: 7, 10, 22, 58, 69, 79, 83 Geelong Cats: 14, 17, 24, 36, 93 Gold Coast Suns: 1, 2, 15, 20, 78, 90 GWS Giants: 6, 40, 59, 60, 80, 94 Hawthorn: 11, 30, 42, 54, 63, 87, 92 Melbourne: 3, 8, 97 North Melbourne: 26, 27, 47, 50, 73, 84 Port Adelaide: 12, 18, 29, 66, 67, 68, 71, 86 Richmond: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95 St Kilda: 51, 82, 100 Sydney Swans: 5, 25, 32, 44, 76, 81 West Coast Eagles: 46, 91, 108 Western Bulldogs: 13, 53, 89

Hayden Young should be the major target if we keep pick 3.

I hate the entire idea of rating the trade period. Firstly, the trade period is only one part of a process of recruiting players which reaches its peak with the drafts in November and these days, doesn’t end until March. However, the real results won’t be felt for some time well into the future.

It seems that Carlton is prepared to pay Jack Martin $750,000.00 which is what he would be worth if he played at his best week in, week out, which hasn’t come remotely close to doing in the six years at Gold Coast. On that basis, I can understand Melbourne not being interested in Martin - he would come at a cost far beyond his worth.

Are we done yet? Certainly not. The potential trade of pick 3 for 6 plus is still on the cards. There’s the delisted free agency period coming up, possible involvement in the pre season draft and the drafts themselves. It would be ironic if we were looking at the pre season draft to make a play for Jack Martin given that Martin was originally drafted by the Suns as a compensation selection ahead of us when we picked up Jesse Hogan. Neither of them have really hit the heights expected of them when they were taken as 17 year olds.

INDICATIVE DRAFT ORDER (at end of trade period) ROUND ONE 1. Gold Coast 2. Gold Coast 3. Melbourne 4. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 5. Sydney 6. Greater Western Sydney (received from St Kilda) 7. Fremantle 8. Melbourne (received from North Melbourne) 9. Carlton (received from Adelaide) 10. Fremantle (received from St Kilda) (received from Port Adelaide) 11. Hawthorn 12. Port Adelaide (received from St Kilda) (received from Greater Western Sydney) (received from Essendon) 13. Western Bulldogs 14. Geelong (received from West Coast) 15. Gold Coast (received from Brisbane) 16. Brisbane (received from Collingwood) 17. Geelong 18. Port Adelaide (received from St Kilda) (received from Greater Western Sydney) 19. Richmond ROUND TWO 20. Gold Coast 21. Brisbane (received from Gold Coast) 22. Fremantle (received from Melbourne) 23. Adelaide (received from Carlton) 24. Geelong (received from West Coast) (received from Sydney) 25. Sydney (received from St Kilda) 26. North Melbourne (received from Melbourne) (received from Fremantle) 27. North Melbourne 28. Adelaide 29. Port Adelaide 30. Hawthorn 31. Essendon 32. Sydney Swans (received from St Kilda) (received from Western Bulldogs) 33. Essendon (received from West Coast) 34. Brisbane 35. Collingwood 36. Geelong 37. Adelaide (received from Geelong) (received from Essendon) (received from Greater Western Sydney) 38. Richmond 39. Richmond (Brandon Ellis concession) 40. Greater Western Sydney (Adam Tomlinson concession) ROUND THREE 41. Richmond (received from Gold Coast) 42. Hawthorn (received from Melbourne) 43. Carlton 44. Sydney 45. Adelaide Crows (received from Western Bulldogs) (received from St Kilda) 46. West Coast (received from Brisbane) (received from Fremantle) 47. North Melbourne 48. Brisbane Lions (received from Sydney) (received from Carlton) Carlton (received from Adelaide) 49. Adelaide (Cameron Ellis-Yolmen concession) 50. North Melbourne (received from Melbourne) (received from Hawthorn) (received from Port Adelaide) 51. St Kilda (received from Western Bulldogs) (received from Hawthorn) 52. Brisbane (received from West Coast)(received from Essendon) 53. Western Bulldogs 54. Hawthorn (received from Carlton) (received from Sydney) (received from West Coast) 55. Brisbane 56. Richmond (received from St Kilda) (received from Sydney) (received from Collingwood) 57. Carlton (received from Essendon) (received from West Coast) (received from Geelong) 58. Fremantle (received from St Kilda) (received from Geelong) (received from Gold Coast (received from Richmond) ROUND FOUR 59. Greater Western Sydney (received from St Kilda) (received from Gold Coast) 60. Greater Western Sydney) 61. Essendon (received from Carlton) received from Hawthorn) (received from Melbourne) 62. Collingwood (received from Sydney) (received from Carlton) 63. Hawthorn (received from Carlton) (received from Sydney) 64. Essendon (received from Brisbane) (received from West Coast) (received from St Kilda) 65. Essendon (received from Fremantle) 66. Port Adelaide (received from North Melbourne) 67. Port Adelaide (received from Adelaide) 68. Port Adelaide 69. Fremantle (received from Collingwood) (received from Hawthorn) 70. Carlton (received from Essendon) 71. Port Adelaide (received from Western Bulldogs) 72. Brisbane (received from Essendon) (received from Carlton) (received from West Coast) 73. North Melbourne (received from Brisbane) 74. Collingwood 75. Richmond (received from Geelong) 76. Sydney (received from St Kilda) (received from Greater Western Sydney) 77. Richmond ROUND FIVE 78. Gold Coast 79. Fremantle (received from Melbourne) 80. Greater Western Sydney (received from Carlton) 81. Sydney 82. St Kilda 83. Fremantle 84. North Melbourne 85. Carlton (received from Adelaide) 86. Port Adelaide 87. Hawthorn 88. Essendon 89. Western Bulldogs 90. Gold Coast (received from West Coast) 91. West Coast (received from Brisbane) 92. Hawthorn (received from Collingwood) 93. Geelong 94. Greater Western Sydney 95. Richmond

PART EIGHT - THE HOGAN EFFECT If you were sitting with a group of Melbourne supporters at this exact time twelve months ago, it’s likely that the discussion would have centred around the imminent departure of Jesse Hogan to Fremantle. You were mostly convinced he was emotionally invested in returning home to continue his struggle with his foot issues, the mental scars of his year from hell when he lost his father and was diagnosed with cancer and that it was a useless struggle to attempt to keep him at Melbourne for the final year of his contract given that he might be lost for nothing in a year’s time. You were comforted by the thought that the team often played better without him, pointing to the number of important games won in his absence - the ground breaking win at Kardinia Park in 2015, the one against Hawthorn a year later and the two recent Friday night finals at the MCG. So the rationale was that he wouldn’t be missed and when the ultimate deal effectively delivered Steven May, Kade Kolodjashnij and a draft pick, you were satisfied that it would all be for the better and the team would continue on the same forward trajectory it had been followed since Paul Roos took up the coaching role back at the end of 2013. Well, that didn’t quite work out, did it? Steven May had a disjointed season and managed to eke out eight matches. Kolodjashnij, who was supposed to be clear of his concussion issues and expected to take a wing and fulfil an outside running role, was barely sighted on the field with just two appearances. And the key forwards upon who the club’s hopes rested and relied upon to maintain the high scoring of 2018 were hobbled by lack of form and then by injury. The club missed Hogan badly - he used to take the opposition’s best defender and with his engine, size and talent was capable of going down the ground and generating attack from the middle of the ground. His departure was felt all over the ground - not just in goals - and, along with the team’s overall fitness and injury woes was one of the major lack of the contributors to its steep decline in 2019. The way in which Melbourne fell from grace has defined how Josh Mahoney is going about reshaping his list in the trade and draft period. The club took aim firstly at its weaknesses on the outside by securing wingers Adam Tomlinson and Ed Langdon with a minimum of fuss. Today, it carried out a daring raid which netted draft pick 8 to add to pick 3 which it already holds. The Demons gave away next year’s first selection along with picks 26 and 50 but it now holds some big aces for the final day’s trading. Aces which might help snare a key position player and a crumbing forward to add to the arsenal. Perhaps, by the close of proceedings tomorrow, the club will be better primed to return to where it was before Jesse Hogan departed. Some other things happened today. St Kilda landed two of their targets, bringing in Dougal Howard and Paddy Ryder for an exchange of picks with Port Adelaide. And Saints midfielder Blake Acres has flown to Perth to meet with the Dockers and could be a part of the Brad Hill trade tomorrow. For the second year running, a former number one draft pick went to Hawthorn for bubkes (virtually nothing) when Jonathon Patton joined them from the Giants for the price of a future fourth-round draft pick. The Giants picked up Adelaide’s Sam Jacobs from Adelaide, also for a future fourth-round draft selection and the Crows’ Hugh Greenwood has been traded to the Gold Coast Suns in exchange for Gold Coast's future third and fourth round selections in the 2020 AFL Draft. Collingwood has brought in some ruck support for Brodie Grundy, trading for Sydney’s Darcy Cameron for pick 56, but they get back 62 for the one game ruckman. In other news, the weather bureau predicts ... DONE DEALS SATURDAY OCTOBER 5 • Brandon Ellis joins the Gold Coast Suns as a restricted free agent. Richmond receives a second-round draft pick as compensation (at the time, #39). • Cam Ellis-Yolmen joins Brisbane as an unrestricted free agent. Adelaide receives a third-round draft pick as compensation (at the time, #47). MONDAY OCTOBER 7 • Adam Tomlinson joins Melbourne as an unrestricted free agent. GWS Giants receive a second-round draft pick as compensation (at the time, #40). WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 9 • Tim Kelly joins the West Coast Eagles for picks 14, 24 and 37 in this year’s draft as well as the Eagles’ first-round pick in the 2020 AFL draft. The Eagles receive pick 57 and Geelong’s third round pick in 2020. THURSDAY OCTOBER 10 • St Kilda trade picks 6 and 59 to Greater Western Sydney and receive picks 12 and 18. FRIDAY OCTOBER 11 • Sam Frost joins Hawthorn for pick 50 and the Hawks’ future second rounder in a deal where the Demons also gave up picks 42, 61 and their future fourth round selection. • Ed Langdon joins Melbourne for picks 22 and 79 as well as the Demons’ future second round selection in a deal where Fremantle also gave up pick 26 and the Docker’s future fourth round pick. • The West Coast Eagles trade picks 52 and 64 to the Brisbane Lions for 46 and 91. MONDAY OCTOBER 14 • Eddie Betts rejoins the Blues after four years at the Crows in return for Carlton’s future fourth round pick. TUESDAY OCTOBER 15 • Melbourne trades picks 26, 50 and its future first round pick in return for North Melbourne’s pick 8. • Paddy Ryder and Dougal Howard, pick 10 and a future fourth round pick move across to St Kilda while Port Adelaide receive picks 12, 18 and a future third-round pick. • Jonathon Patton joins Hawthorn and the Giants get a future fourth round selection. • Sam Jacobs is now a Giant and Adelaide gets a future fourth round selection. • The Crows’ Hugh Greenwood goes to the Gold Coast Suns in exchange for their future third and fourth round picks. • Billy Frampton joins Adelaide and Port Adelaide gets a future fourth round selection. • Sydney’s Darcy Cameron and pick 62 are off to Collingwood in exchange for pick 56.

PART EIGHT - THE HOGAN EFFECT If you were sitting with a group of Melbourne supporters at this exact time twelve months ago, it’s likely that the discussion would have centred around the imminent departure of Jesse Hogan to Fremantle. You were mostly convinced he was emotionally invested in returning home to continue his struggle with his foot issues, the mental scars of his year from hell when he lost his father and was diagnosed with cancer and that it was a useless struggle to attempt to keep him at Melbourne for the final year of his contract given that he might be lost for nothing in a year’s time. You were comforted by the thought that the team often played better without him, pointing to the number of important games won in his absence - the ground breaking win at Kardinia Park in 2015, the one against Hawthorn a year later and the two recent Friday night finals at the MCG. So the rationale was that he wouldn’t be missed and when the ultimate deal effectively delivered Steven May, Kade Kolodjashnij and a draft pick, you were satisfied that it would all be for the better and the team would continue on the same forward trajectory it had been followed since Paul Roos took up the coaching role back at the end of 2013. Well, that didn’t quite work out, did it? Steven May had a disjointed season and managed to eke out eight matches. Kolodjashnij, who was supposed to be clear of his concussion issues and expected to take a wing and fulfil an outside running role, was barely sighted on the field with just two appearances. And the key forwards upon who the club’s hopes rested and relied upon to maintain the high scoring of 2018 were hobbled by lack of form and then by injury. The club missed Hogan badly - he used to take the opposition’s best defender and with his engine, size and talent was capable of going down the ground and generating attack from the middle of the ground. His departure was felt all over the ground - not just in goals - and, along with the team’s overall fitness and injury woes was one of the major lack of the contributors to its steep decline in 2019. The way in which Melbourne fell from grace has defined how Josh Mahoney is going about reshaping his list in the trade and draft period. The club took aim firstly at its weaknesses on the outside by securing wingers Adam Tomlinson and Ed Langdon with a minimum of fuss. Today, it carried out a daring raid which netted draft pick 8 to add to pick 3 which it already holds. The Demons gave away next year’s first selection along with picks 26 and 50 but it now holds some big aces for the final day’s trading. Aces which might help snare a key position player and a crumbing forward to add to the arsenal. Perhaps, by the close of proceedings tomorrow, the club will be better primed to return to where it was before Jesse Hogan departed. Some other things happened today. St Kilda landed two of their targets, bringing in Dougal Howard and Paddy Ryder for an exchange of picks with Port Adelaide. And Saints midfielder Blake Acres has flown to Perth to meet with the Dockers and could be a part of the Brad Hill trade tomorrow. For the second year running, a former number one draft pick went to Hawthorn for bubkes (virtually nothing) when Jonathon Patton joined them from the Giants for the price of a future fourth-round draft pick. The Giants picked up Adelaide’s Sam Jacobs from Adelaide, also for a future fourth-round draft selection and the Crows’ Hugh Greenwood has been traded to the Gold Coast Suns in exchange for Gold Coast's future third and fourth round selections in the 2020 AFL Draft. Collingwood has brought in some ruck support for Brodie Grundy, trading for Sydney’s Darcy Cameron for pick 56, but they get back 62 for the one game ruckman. In other news, the weather bureau predicts ... DONE DEALS SATURDAY OCTOBER 5 • Brandon Ellis joins the Gold Coast Suns as a restricted free agent. Richmond receives a second-round draft pick as compensation (at the time, #39). • Cam Ellis-Yolmen joins Brisbane as an unrestricted free agent. Adelaide receives a third-round draft pick as compensation (at the time, #47). MONDAY OCTOBER 7 • Adam Tomlinson joins Melbourne as an unrestricted free agent. GWS Giants receive a second-round draft pick as compensation (at the time, #40). WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 9 • Tim Kelly joins the West Coast Eagles for picks 14, 24 and 37 in this year’s draft as well as the Eagles’ first-round pick in the 2020 AFL draft. The Eagles receive pick 57 and Geelong’s third round pick in 2020. THURSDAY OCTOBER 10 • St Kilda trade picks 6 and 59 to Greater Western Sydney and receive picks 12 and 18. FRIDAY OCTOBER 11 • Sam Frost joins Hawthorn for pick 50 and the Hawks’ future second rounder in a deal where the Demons also gave up picks 42, 61 and their future fourth round selection. • Ed Langdon joins Melbourne for picks 22 and 79 as well as the Demons’ future second round selection in a deal where Fremantle also gave up pick 26 and the Docker’s future fourth round pick. • The West Coast Eagles trade picks 52 and 64 to the Brisbane Lions for 46 and 91. MONDAY OCTOBER 14 • Eddie Betts rejoins the Blues after four years at the Crows in return for Carlton’s future fourth round pick. TUESDAY OCTOBER 15 • Melbourne trades picks 26, 50 and its future first round pick in return for North Melbourne’s pick 8. • Paddy Ryder and Dougal Howard, pick 10 and a future fourth round pick move across to St Kilda while Port Adelaide receive picks 12, 18 and a future third-round pick. • Jonathon Patton joins Hawthorn and the Giants get a future fourth round selection. • Sam Jacobs is now a Giant and Adelaide gets a future fourth round selection. • The Crows’ Hugh Greenwood goes to the Gold Coast Suns in exchange for their future third and fourth round picks. • Billy Frampton joins Adelaide and Port Adelaide gets a future fourth round selection. • Sydney’s Darcy Cameron and pick 62 are off to Collingwood in exchange for pick 56.

The fact that we are holding a pick not much further down the line from pick 3 increases the logic of nominating Tom Green. If GWS want to be assured of getting two first round players, they have to have control of pick 3 so it makes sense for them to offer us 6 ++ and maybe another + to achieve that outcome.

It seems to me that this is way to squeeze GWS into agreeing to a favorable trade back to us of two draft picks and possibly a player for #3. It also sounds as if those later picks we've traded away in the deal will become irrelevant because we won't be using them.

St Kilda will probably sign him.