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Not sure that's how I would describe our performance that day. We looked totally outclassed and Oliver had one of his worst games ever. At one point Brisbane were 50+ up late in the game and we kicked a few junktime goals to make things look more respectable but imo it was the first major sign our season was in trouble. EDIT: Whoops misread your post thought you were talking about the first game at the G.

Yeah this seems like a massive loophole. Oh you're on a backended contract and you need to medically retire. Let's just flip that around so the year we get 90% outside of the cap is eating up the bulk of that.

We also got smashed by them at the MCG to help get their season back on track.

I just don't understand why we are so obsessed with playing tall when the available talls can't get the job done. Decent smalls are much easier to find and are worth their weight in gold in high pressure finals.

The scope would have been determined before the review began. I don't expect the full review itself will be revealed publicly. It's not really how these things are done. I would hope we get told the exact scope and a summary of the findings and actionables they come up with though.

Classic. Same trick Buckley pulled on Howe promising to play him as a forward when Roos refused to. Was back in defence before the bye.

Honestly I blame the swans mids more for that. Can't let the Lions walk it out the front like that.

Yeah I don't think our footy department should be patting themselves on the back for correcting their mistake and getting rid of Grundy. I'm sure we had a crack at a number of tall forwards but unfortunately there just wasn't much on the market without having the clairvoyance to see Waterman turning into a gun or something. When people talk about inventiveness, I would have preferred we looked at playing a smaller structure with the good players that were available rather than trying to brute force a tall forwardline with a bunch of guys who weren't good enough.

It would have been a good idea if there was an actual idea but it really just felt like we were trying to shove a square peg in Grundy into the round hole left by Jackson.

He never should have come to us in the first place. We never knew what to do with him.

Amazing performance and season from the Lions. Came back from a shocking start, had one of the most incredible finals runs ever and dominated the GF. Sydney just didn't turn up, got bashed in the midfield and just weren't up to the fight. Brisbane were awesome and it does show how important it is to punish the opposition when you have control of the game. Within ten minutes in the late second quarter they killed the game and crushed the Swans spirits.

Sort of funny comparing us in 2017-18 to the past few years. Our gameplan isn't all that different. Heavy contested ball, clearance focused side. We still had similar problems, high density of inside 50s, often struggled to find a target but we were still able to score far more easily than we do now. So what changed? I think back then we had very little going for us in defense so we backed ourselves in to win contested ball and cheated forward a lot more than we do now. Our forwardline wasn't great then either which is why I've never bought the excuse that our current forwardline isn't capable of kicking a decent score. We moved the ball in there a lot faster and that speed and willingness to sacrifice a bit on defense gave us opportunity. We kicked a LOT of joe-the-goose goals. We left Frost and Oscar Mcdonald on a bit of an island as a result but were willing to cop that since they weren't going to hold up defensively anyway. It would be nice if we could find a happy medium between the two philosophies.

But this conclusion once again raises the flaw in that logic: Yze is a great midfield coach who solved our issues to get us the flag in 2021, but McQualter couldn't get the midfield working for us after being the key to Richmond's midfield dominance during their dynasty. I'm not convinced that Bassett is the key to fixing our forward set up because our philosophy the past few years has been to deliberately sacrifice the potency of our forwardline to prevent intercept marks and easy rebounds from the opposition. Unless Goodwin is willing to make significant changes to our gameplan those problems will still be there.

Yeah I guess my problem with that is it's historically not a very reliable indicator of quality. For instance McQualter was the midfield coach at the Tigers for their dynasty and not many seem to rate him. A lot of coaches from dominant sides went on to become senior coaches and failed miserably while guys like Scott and Goodwin were assistants at mediocre teams and found success. Very hard to work out assistants. Ultimately they have to fall in line to the senior coach so they can only do so much as far as changing the game plan goes. If Bassett is coming in to coach the forwards it doesn't necessarily mean much will change unless Goodwin is finally ready to totally change our philosophy towards moving the ball.

Genuine question. How do people actually come up with their judgements of assistant coaches? Is it success of the clubs they've been at? How others in the industry have spoken about them. While I appreciate the change is needed I find it hard to get super excited about assistant coaches because it's hard to know if they are coming in to give new ideas or help better execute the status quo.

Only reason we were in that Carlton game was because Trac went into god mode

PETA have been doing this for decades. They exist to produce ragebait. Just ignore them.

Hardly Hunter's fault the coaches didn't rate Jordon.

You say this as we're getting ourselves ready to recruit Wade Derksen and Tom Campbell.

Parfitt seems like a good ANB replacement.

I watched the Roaming Brian that started all this. Hind really has no chill. Might as well have introduced the guy as his gangland mate.

Yep. Everyone knows it's Brashaw

This argument would be more convincing if those teams struggled when away from their home grounds. Lions the only one of them who have really struggled at the MCG but even they have overcome that in the last couple of years. Our own record at the MCG under Goodwin is pretty ordinary. It might even be <50%. We're more reliable away from home than at the MCG. A bit of an oddity in my time watching Melbourne.

Yep. Cats should play all their home games there imo.

Do you disagree with my assessment. Do you think having a slightly better finals winrate is more impressive than making prelims almost every year? Fair enough if you do but I stand by what I said. Think the Cats home ground advantage is a bit of a cop out. They won more games away from home than they did at Geelong this year, plus they play fewer home games at their actual home ground than any other side.