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AMW did his ACL, PCL and MCL iirc. Horrible injury, no idea how hard it will be to recover from that. Are there any other examples in the AFL?

Interesting that they are all rookies. I guess we won't have many spots on our main list once White and Sinema get picked up.

That it all happened during Covid has made that whole season feel a bit like a dream.

Assuming that the position is not already well and truly Buckley's and he hasn't given us his input on that exact question. Yes.

New coaches are rarely appointed prior to the end of the home and away season. Recent examples would be McQualter who was appointed in late september, McRae who was appointed early september, Adam Kingsley was appointed the day after the home and away season ended, Yze was appointed after we were knocked out of finals that year. The recent exceptions I can think of is Clarkson who was appointed North's coach the day before their final game of the season, and Hardwick, but that whole appointment was a bit of a farce. He was going to the Suns before he'd even wrapped up at Richmond. There's also the case of succession plans but that's a completely different situation. I think moving Williams on makes sense. He's reportedly on pretty decent coin and we will want to offer the new coach some cap room to play with so they can bring in a few of their own people. Of the people who have contracts the coach will get to see if they gel with them over the next 12 months. Potentially moving them to different roles etc.

He was out of contract and you have to tell coaching staff if they are getting renewed or not at this point. I don't really understand any of the confusion about the timing of these decisions. It's the end of the season. Pretty much the time all these decisions get made.

Think we are remembering things differently. 2017 I think was relatively drama free. Honeymoon period for Goodwin I guess. Unless I've forgotten something 2018 we had the Mccartney/Goodwin feud 2019 we had the Goodwin/Jennings fallout and the preseason camp blow up. 2020 was the start of the turmoil behind the scenes between Goodwin and members of the board and murmurings of players being unsettled. 2021 we heard all about the trouble over that off-season, goodwin nearly being sacked the previous off-season and the AFL and clubs concern about his relationships with the players. Basically most of the drama from 2022 onwards we aren't even allowed to talk about on here so I'll stop there.

Don't think this is true at all.

There is certainly a bit of this. Having certain journo's on the drip isn't a necessarily a bad thing if it's a club policy and you are careful about what information is getting out. For example, giving a journo a story about a big hire, sacking or trade target is really just letting them break a story that is about to get out anyway. The issue is when certain actors decide to go off on their own steam and leak information to suit whatever their personal agenda might be. I think in recent times we've had various people within the club leaking info to try and control the narrative around a particular story but basically having it all blow up in our faces. It's always ugly to see dirty laundry being aired out in public.

WRT Chocco moving on, Cornes and Williams are pretty close. Cornes doesn't break many stories at all because he's not a journo he's a commentator. So it's pretty clear who told him. Leaks have been an issue that I would hope we are able to clean up but I actually think the fact that the Goodwin news got out 12 hours after he was told is not really a massive problem. If the players weren't told before that got out then it speaks to a problem with our internal comms not getting on the front foot quick enough. The worst leaks I've ever seen were over the last couple of years surrounding the Petracca/Oliver stories. We were hearing details about internal conversations between players it was that bad. Thankfully we haven't seen anything at that level this year.

That's it. Former GM of AFLW program. Now curiously being run by Clare Pettyfor.

Think he mentioned this last night. One of our AFLW coaches who was moved on a couple of months ago worked with Buckley in the past. Can't remember the name

Thanks for your service Chocco. I'm sure it won't take long to find another role. Viva la Revolución.

I read your post as arguing that their reads being backed up by Roos gave them more credence. If that's not your position then I apologise.

So you agree that premiership coaches can get things wrong?

Robert Walls predicted the Eagles to collect the spoon in 2018.

Max was right to doubt the Grundy trade. If anything it exposes that Goodwin didn't really know how to handle Jackson leaving.

That's grim haha. Howe was more fun with us anyway. Lost a lot of his leap when he went to Collingwood.

Has he ever had good form in the AFL? It's possible he's just not up to it. Maybe a change of scenery would help but I don't think he'd be worth much on the trade table at the moment. I'd take a punt on him but certainly wouldn't want to overpay.

Is Duursma worth that much? He can barely get a game and when he has he's not done much. The fact that he was a high draft pick doesn't mean much once exposed AFL form comes into it.

Well for example it's already been reported that Mark Williams is out of contract. There have been several reports about our footy department expecting a shake up this off-season and with Goodwin gone I see no reason why we shouldn't expect more change. Even in that 3AW clip Caroline Wilson was saying we are going to be hiring high performance manager, assisstant coaches etc. Also just an expectation that our coaching appointment will probably be similar to how most other coaching appointments go. I don't really have any reason to believe that we are a special case in that regard. When a new coach is appointed they bring in their own people. Obviously not a 100% turnover of the entire footy department, but significant enough change that it looks significantly different.

There are definitely levers we can and will pull. Not everyone in the department going to be under contract. Pretty much every time a club sacks a coach their footy department has massive turnover. A couple of coaches might survive, a couple of roles might be changed, but broadly it will be a significant regime change.

The side he took over in 2011 was completely turned over by 2018. I agree Buckley got the top job too early and made mistakes, but after that he effectively rebuilt the side and improved as a coach drastically. He shouldn't be the only candidate but I certainly wouldn't rule him out.

Interesting looking back at when Collingwood were in a similar position back in 2021. President gone, Coach gone, List Manager gone, CEO wrapping up, board at war with the future president. Bunch of coaches names being thrown up in the air (Don't think McCrae even gets brought up) and Caroline Wilson of course very concerned about the situation at board level. Also hilarious watching Eddie go on a massive rant immediately after saying he'd stay right out of it. Can you imagine the reactions on here if Roffey went on TV this week and started talking about what a mess the club was?

Think Howe played like 5 games up forward then Collingwood got some injuries and Buckley was like "oh well". He's never seen the forwardline since lol. Roos always knew he wasn't a forward.