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Why on earth would people think he'd be a good recruit? He's not good depth, he averages maybe one decent game a year and goes missing for the rest. He had his shot, he's not good enough.

Would be adequate depth. We still have a lot of list spots to fill.

Feel like maybe this thought didn't require an entirely new thread.

What are you on about?

Do you think there was any way we could have prevented the events that lead to the media pile on or handled the situation better once those events unfolded?

Do you think the club could have handled things any better there so that it didn't lead to him wanting out?

I would question what made our best player so disenchanted that he felt the desire to look elsewhere.

Also if nothing the media reported was true it would have been very easy to shut down.

So you agree the club has to work towards fixing that reputational damage then.

I think plenty of messengers would have been shot for delivering incorrect information.

So our reputation did in fact spook a player from joining us.

Surprised at how honest he was. We have our work cut out for us gaining respect back in the industry.

Club is right to stop obsessing over key forwards. Work with what you have. Play a game style that doesn't require an amazing key forward to win us games but instead allows us to threaten in other ways. Don't force guys like Petty who can't play the role to do it just because the setup worked in 2021. A square peg in a round hole is a hiding to nothing.

At this stage we will probably have 5 list spots to fill. So 3 more after 5+9. Taking the last three picks in the draft doesn't excite me much. Are there any DFA's we're looking at?

So how are we planning on filling all our list spots with only two live picks in the draft?

Collingwood had to do it with Treloar. I'm sure there have been others before that too. Ultimately it's all about managing the cap and sometimes that cap space in the short term can offer you better rewards in the long term.

IIRC It's a red bull training camp. I think he's sponsored by them, he's gone before as have other players.

IDK anything about how these costs are structured but isn't that number about what most clubs have spent on their training facilities?

Port have absolutely lost the plot.

He really is the worst

Isn't that what Essendon did? Then once they worked out the leaker they told him Hird had been sacked and let Caro make a fool of herself.

Career averages are a bit of a misnomer as players tend to have a bit of a bell curve over their career as they go from their early years to their prime to their twilight. Viney has also struggled a lot with injuries throughout his career which has affected his performance in some seasons. I haven't seen any significant change in his role between the flag and this year but maybe I'm missing something. Looking at Viney's recent years and you can see his 2024 was trending downwards from the previous two years. Not massively, but it was there. He's still a good player but the signs are there. No one beats father time. He's over 30 as a crash and bash midfielder. For those guys when the end comes it comes fast. We've signed him up until the end of 2028, which is a long time for a player of his age and type. He will be 34 when the deal finishes up and I would be very surprised if he's able to keep up to the AFL level for three years let alone four. North may have offered him the same amount but that's what you often have to do if you want to extract a player out of their club. Ultimately we still had him signed up for another year so there wasn't any need to get spooked by the North offer and we still could have given him another year or two as a sweetener, but not three. I think we blinked to put the story to bed when the club was under the pump.

Compared to his own record? Yes he was. For comparison hes the same age as Jones was in 2018 who's form dropped off substantially the following year and within two years was struggling to get selected.

I love Viney, and yes he won the BnF in a horrible year (personally thought Gawn was significantly better) but he's 30 and his stats were trending down this year and we gave him an extra two years when he still had a year to go on his contract. Personally I would have given him one extra year for the security as a reward for his loyalty not two.

There are some reports that Viney's extension was exactly that. I think there is probably a bit of that. Jones would be the second choice for the role after Sloane, but Goodwin is clearly filling the ranks with his mates. That isn't necessarily a bad thing. In fact most coaches do it, so I'm not against it as the coach needs to be in charge of his own team. If it goes pear shaped it will also fall on his shoulders next year.