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Yeah it's the worst time of the year, hey? Can't stand all the posturing and leaking clubs do to try and one-up each other. People are desperate for content too, so media will turn any scrap of info into 5 x 300 word articles. Our coach hasn't even started yet.

Flanders hasn't even met the club yet. Maybe just relax and let it play out a bit longer.

Doubt Oliver is going anywhere. Twomey basically said he's a teams second or third option for targeting a mid which means they aint going to be giving us much back and we'll be paying most of his salary anyway. Can't see the point in moving on both Oliver and Trac with nowhere for that money to go.

Can we bin Miohcek's offer and add that to the Flanders offer? Reckon he helps us more.

Thought he wanted to come home?

Twomey has also said Suns are in play.

Fair on Pies but Hawks were in a prelim two years later. Missing the finals in 09 and 10 was probably good for that young group though in hindsight.

You could see the complacency setting in during that period and it had fully taken hold by the second half of the year. Once it was clear we weren't as dominant as we thought we were the cracks really started to appear.

We were happy to give Essendon all our picks from 20 onwards and our first rounder this year to get a second bite at the first round in last years draft because we rated that draft so highly. If we are considering trading Trac I would hope that it's because we have very specific targets in mind with the sort of picks we would get back. If not I'd be shutting this down yesterday.

Think Jordan Lewis has spoken a bit about how when he was at the Hawks, by the time they came back to pre-season after winning a flag they had pretty much stopped celebrating completely and the mood was totally back to business. Due to COVID the club was still celebrating into December with the Members (rightly so) but I think when you're a smaller club that hasn't had much success it's hard to move on from such an historic, generational moment. Clubs like Collingwood, Hawthorn, Geelong etc haven't got that baggage so it's a lot easier for them to move on from the flag and get back on their bikes.

Fair to say that we did see some genuine development of some young players at Casey this year. Culley, Adams, Kentfield all seemed to improve over the course of the season.

I would prefer to get Sam Flanders and nothing else for Trac than take Adelaide's two firsts. That's how bad they look right now.

Not all drafts are equal. Not all first rounders are equal.

And people want to trade trac for a pick in the teens lol

Seems like more than anything moving on Chocco was a money saving exercise.

The current reports is that he's happy to stay if a trade can't be worked out. New coach and change throughout the club. Not impossible to sell it to him. He was happy to sign the long term contract and he's a professional. That several clubs are now coming for him the moment this got raised again shows that there's a pretty decent market for him.

The decision is to move him on 'for the right price'. We're not going to do it just to help out Adelaide.

Then keep him.

I would. 14 would end up being pick 20ish in a shallow draft. A future first would also not be crash hot if you think Adelaide are going to finish in a similar position next year. In recent years our picks in the teens have gotten us Tholstrup, Jefferson and Laurie.

Plenty of foodies on the Gold Coast.

If his skills were a bit better he'd be a genuine gun.

Get the vibe he's a bit of an introvert.

Was Langford even there?

Oliver is the exact kind of player the Umpires love to give votes to.

The reports have been that both parties are open to a trade but that Trac isn't demanding a move in the same way as last year. i.e. would be comfortable to stay if nothing gets done. Seems like both parties are approaching this pretty maturely.