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Daniher will be 32 years old at the start of next year and with a year out of the system and will struggle to get to AFL fitness in a single preseason. He will also cost a lot to not only lure out of retirement but also pick us over Brisbane. If this is our best option then it shows how few genuine prospects we actually have.

There are rules around this to stop teams from rorting the system iirc. I don't know how it would work exactly in this scenario but a good example would be when Mitch Clark 'retired' and then Geelong had to trade for him.

Goodwin getting extended would be insane to me. I'd be astounded if the club was that stupid after missing finals for two years while he still has a year left to run.

Sorry I meant supporterbase moreso than memberships. Essendon have been garbage for 20 years. If they ever get good again their memberships will skyrocket. The supporter base is there and bigger than what Hawks and Geelong can reach. People thought Richmond and Carlton's supporterbase was diminishing. Then Richmond win a flag and they have the biggest membership in the comp. Carlton start making finals for the first time in ages and they crack 100k immediately. The big four are called that for a reason. When their form isn't good they just become sleeping giants. If Hawthorn were as big a club as the actual big clubs they wouldn't have to sell their games to Tassie.

They are successful but comparative to the actual big clubs they don't quite stack up from a membership point of view. As far as Victoria goes the big clubs are Collingwood, Carlton, Richmond and Essendon. Hawthorn and Geelong are a rung below. Us, Saints, Dogs and North are all small.

It annoys me even more because Goodwin literally went on TV a week ago and said we were rebuilding on the run by adding youth to the side. Now we find out we're chasing a bloke who's been out of the game for a year and will be 32 before the next season starts. Not to mention we'd have to overpay him substantially to get him to pick us over just going back to Brisbane.

Big clubs have and will always have that advantage. Hawks are a medium sized club who have no trouble luring players. We traded very well between 2014-2018

Genuinely one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen a footy club actually consider. Embarrassing and desperate from a list management team that hasn't been able to lure anyone of note for 5 years.

King is a moron on this stuff.

I think there's a fair chance May gets off. Being sent straight to the tribunal doesn't necessarily mean he's screwed. Sometimes it just means that the MRO doesn't feel equipped to make a ruling based on the matrix.

Dunno. Seems like very little pressure is on him.

Goodwin is coaching just to protect his job.

I'm not writing him off, I would like him to play out the season but I'm really struggling to see much to get excited about. Like Windsor has had a poor season but I know exactly what kind of player he can turn into. With Kolt I'm just not sure what sort of player he will be in 5 years time. What seperates him from Taj Woewodin, Bailey Laurie or Kynan Brown?

Who could have possibly seen this coming?

Champion Data were saying earlier in the year that our ball movement was one of the fastest in the comp. The problem is we didn't do anything to fix our forward entries or structure so it was a bit of a hiding to nothing.

I already answered this but I'm really making the point about how the narrative has been re-written. The club was trying to trade out picks last year for senior players, when that didn't work we said that we invested in top end talent to help us get to finals now. The story is now that we're investing in the draft to 'rebuild on the run'. I don't think the club planned the list management decisions with that goal in mind. They were clearly trying to get us back to finals now. The notion that we always saw this as a development year and that finals isn't the point for our team is a complete revision. I would much rather they just be honest with us and say they misread where the team is at and we're now focussed on building our list to get back to the pointy end of the ladder.

2000 onwards imo.

Gawn is our greatest of the modern era and it aint close.

Well no, because we traded our first round pick. What exactly would we be tanking for?

It's fine to say we are going through a transition phase but we don't put any limits on what we can achieve. It's exactly what Goodwin said last night. The problem is the club sold the members the vision that we were expecting to compete deep into finals. Unless you think they were lying they totally missed the mark. Last year we were trying to get Dan Houston through the door and refused to trade Oliver. We planted our flag in the ground about our ambitions at the end of last year and the start of this year. It's a very clear failure and the narative is now being moved in a different direction. Would much rather the club just admit we're not where we thought we were at the start of the year and we're moving in a different direction.

I'm hesitant to believe much from the media this year they've hit an all time low imo. If this is actually true then it does seem to suggest we are looking to make some pretty substantial changes to our list. Broadly speaking I'm not against that strategy but I'd rather look at moving guys like Lever on than Fritsch since our forwardline is still our weakest area.

I'm not sure he's cut out for the media.

I find it really frustrating that the members were told we were aiming to play finals this year and contend deep into finals and the story has now completely shifted to 'rebuilding on the run'. If we were told we were rebuilding on the run at the start of the year that would have made this year a lot more palatable but it's pretty clear we've failed in our ambitions and are trying to spin it a different way in the back end of the season.

I thought in the commentary Mooney suggested he was going for a spoil but got him late. That would have been a stronger defence than admitting to the charge in his opening statement. I really don't know why they bothered.

Bit of a waste of time and money from North going with that defence.