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All of these draftees are just prospects at this stage so all we can do is look at limited footage and information and make an assessment. I've seen a few of these videos and he's definitely had better games but I still think he's pretty shaky by foot. If you've found a game where he's cleaner I'd love to see it. He's definitely got talent but I think there are question marks on his game. He takes on everything which is entertaining but it also means he gets caught a lot. Might need some coaching to pick his moments better. My main concern is that he has a tendency to just bomb it long after getting clear into some space which does him a disservice as that should be where he's looking for shorter targets and making it hard for the defenders. We also have a lot of players who do that. As I said, love his aggression and speed. Being able to burst away from contest is gold. If we think he's the best available with 9 then I'm happy with that.

Jayden Hunt vibes. Line breaking pace followed by long kicks to no one.

Love his speed and aggression in the contest but gee his disposal leaves a bit to be desired.

Sport isn't most jobs. Age is absolutely a major issue when it comes to expectation on performance and once you're over 30 the cliff can come at any time. We signed these guys up on long term contracts while both still had a year to go. It's not a pay cut, it's job security in a field that will pay them significantly more than they will likely get post footy for their entire lives. Most players over 30 get put on 1-2 year contracts, we've signed these guys up for 3 and 4. If we're not sun setting their contracts then we're in for a world of pain when all these guys are over the hill and we can't afford to pay our up and coming stars.

Not how it works. Players have TPP increases included in their contracts. I think there are few clubs that try not to include that in their deals. Eagles famously didn't include it but it caused a lot of tension a couple of years back.

Where are you getting these numbers from? You would hope that the extensions of Gawn and Viney came with a bit of flattening of their wages with how old they are going to be at the end of those deals.

Requires maturity from both the clubs and players, the media will follow suit. When players or clubs get pissy about one another exploring trades then the media are going to feed on the drama. I like the idea of clubs being able to trade in contract players but don't see the AFLPA ever going for it. Players don't get paid enough for an overseas model like that to work.

I'm not a lawyer but a player manager trying to manufacture a trade that potentially decreases their clients pay to get a side-deal from the club in question seems like it would be fairly illegal.

Weird that Oliver never shut it down during the trade period, even liking a post on instagram saying he was keen to go to Geelong next year. Weird that the club never denied that we had shopped him around. Seems like those sorts of things would be easily done if it was just a run of the mill meeting that almost all players do in their career.

And as I've said, if this version of events is true, then it means Oliver was actively seeking a way out of the club. Which leaves us with the reality that within two months our two highest paid stars were so disillusioned that they were trying to get out of the club, which is a pretty terrible position for us to find ourselves in.

Pert may well have been acting on the will of the footy department. I haven't ruled that out as a possibility at all. It would still be well outside the purview of a CEO's responsibilities and I'd find it pretty disturbing if that is how our club goes about it's business.

If your version of events is true then Oliver was extremely keen to leave the club even before we shopped him around which is a massive issue in itself.

Maybe we shouldn't be throwing the seagulls our chips.

Either that or Demonland is going to be responsible for a marriage break up.

The premise of this thread is a doorstop with Oliver at the races.

You're implying we only went to Geelong and refused to speak to anyone else. Geelong has kept tabs on Oliver all year. There have been reports that halfway through the year Oliver's manager asked if we were open to a trade and we shut it down. Then once the season wrapped up everything seemed pretty relaxed. We were hearing reports that Oliver was ready to pay the club back and take off to some pre-season training camp. For whatever reason the club (Pert) completely fumbled the ball and decided to try and quietly ask a few other clubs what they reckon Oliver is worth. Well, nothing stays quiet in this industry. Turns out most clubs wanted nothing to do with Oliver, but Geelong, who had been courting him all year and were ready to pounce on an opportunity we gave them. In the end the club shut it down, but not without a lot of self-inflicted damage that was completely unnecessary.

You can find his highlights on youtube. He looks like he kicks the ball straight but he seems to be operating with a lot of space, taking marks on a lead, not a lot of physicality as far as I've seen. I don't see anything that makes me really sit up. I don't think I could handle using yet another first rounder on an average key forward.

Armstrong doesn't look like anything special tbh.

Hence my question about it.

He will likely slip back. He is small and not particularly fast. As a small mid you want something that sets you apart more than just being a good user. His highlight reels look great but I understand the reservations on him.

I'm talking about this

What ended up happening with that overseas training camp he was supposed to go on? Was it cancelled or is it coming up?

I don't see being named emergency as a massive show of faith. I think chasing just about every potentially gettable key forward over the past couple of years including guys like Waterman, who would have cost a decent amount, gives me the vibe we don't think Jefferson is going to be much of a mainstay.

COVID really messed up that draft. So many misses in the first round.

He really does have a way with words.