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Shouldn’t have won that. -21 i50s, 7 marks i50 vs 14, umpires playing catchup on the free kick count after half time. Lots against us but we were harder for longer. Nibbler, BBB, Fritsch did what needed to be done when it needed to be done. Their “guns” are still soft as [censored] and they can look forward to another disappointing end to the year. Go the [censored] Dees!!

Nibbler actually keeping us in this game on his own atm

Good half after a pretty average first 15min. Byrne-jones’ duck aside we should be a goal up. Dixon been ok, Christmas came early for him with May going down, genuinely sleeps with the light on before playing us usually. Edit: still no idea how Nibbler got Viney that goal, magic stuff

Their front running makes them look good when they have momentum, if we can win some ball we should be able to expose them the other way. Max not having a great one so far..

“LET’S BE HONEST…”: COLLINGWOOD CAN'T WIN THE PREMIERSHIP IN 2024, ACCORDING TO DAVID KING BY SEB MOTTRAM 8 HOURS AGO Collingwood isn’t winning the premiership in 2024, according to David King. On three weeks of evidence of an underwhelming Magpies outfit, King believes the reigning premiers will struggle to make the top four and subsequently go back-to-back. They currently sit 0-3 with Brisbane away looming on Thursday night. Furthermore, the dual-premiership Kangaroo went as far as to suggest Craig McRae’s game-plan has been found out in three consecutive losses. After a loss to St Kilda to open Round 3, King is now prepared to call it. “Let’s be honest. Are they winning it this year? No,” King declared on SEN’s Whateley about Collingwood's prospects. “We’ve had this chat about Port Adelaide two years ago when they went 0-3. We had the chat about Geelong (last year) when they went 0-3. You fight tooth and nail now to make finals “It’s a different discussion to what you have had over two years about this type of team. It’s Collingwood this time. If you’re a Collingwood fan, take the colours out of it. “The chances of finishing top four are sliding, if they haven’t already dissipated… you can’t lose too many and they’ve already lost three of them. So even if you make it (finals) you’ll be five to eight, and you’ll be considered one of those dangerous teams. But they never win… let’s not worry about the anomaly, let’s worry about what history shows.” He added: “It would be just a ridiculous performance from them to go on and contend, to finish top four and go from there… they won’t be in my seedings for three months, if at all this year.” McRae is in his third year at the helm, having taken Collingwood to a Preliminary Final and premiership in his first two seasons. But now that the competition has caught on, King believes the Pies have no choice but to batten down the hatches and continue with their style. “I think when you do things so drastically different, they either work big or fail big. Now they worked big for a couple of years and the competition took a long while to catch up to what Craig was doing,” King continued. “An overinvestment of numbers where the football is, forcing the turnover and going. Wave run and go. If it works for 10 minutes, put a four-goal gap in the game, shut the game down. Situational. They can’t play like this for the whole game… so they would have wins through burst scoring. “Now teams have worked this out. If you can handle the heat of being outnumbered at the source where the ball is, if you can just get it forward or get it lateral and hit a target, once you go forward it will be 5v3 in your forward line in your favour. “Now it’s been worked out and it’s failing big. So it’s unfair to look at their back six and say, ‘you’re conceding some easy scores’. Of course they are. “You’ve been worked out. Does it mean you change? I don’t think you can change now. I think you’re wedded to this plan for a little while and you challenge the group to do it better, perform better.” However, King did laud McRae for his influence across the league and spoke about the off-season footy department reshuffle at the Pies. Despite reported interest from other clubs, assistant coaches including Justin Leppitsch and Brendon Bolton ultimately stayed at the Pies and received promotions internally. “Craig McRae has changed the game. And now everyone has stolen a little bit of his IP. Everyone says, ‘why did they make so many changes? Why did they keep (Justin) Leppitsch there and do (what they did) with (Brendon) Bolton’? They did it to keep the IP in. They can’t let them all leave,” King said. “We’ve seen what’s happened with Richmond’s (Damien Hardwick) plan. They (assistant coaches at the time) are all everywhere else and they’re flying. “You just have to take your hat off to what they (Collingwood) has been able to do, now they’re in a world of pain for 2024 and you just buckle up.” Only three clubs have gone back-to-back in the 21st century, with McRae’s men far from the first side to fall apart in their premiership defence. Geelong started 2023 0-3 after defeating Sydney in the Grand Final the year prior and went on to miss September action that year. But King is optimistic for the Pies putting forward a strong performance against Brisbane in Round 4, with both 2023 Grand Finalists still searching for their first win of the season. Collingwood and Brisbane will meet on Thursday night at the Gabba, where the Lions have lost only one game since 2022.

Very good point. Turns out I was in the modern stats side of AFL Tables that starts at 1965 - on the all-time all-time list Fritsch is down at 21. Rookie mistake by me..

13th all time averages with 3.85goals per game (min 50 games). Would’ve had a higher average of 4.28 if he never went to Footscray in 96, but also wouldn’t be on the list as he’d be left on 47 games.

Yep. It’s not enough to enjoy a win, they feel the need to make oppo supporters miserable, at the game and on the trip home. Hope they have a [censored] year, this and every year.

14 marks i50 this week which is where I like to see it. That plus a free (presumably) gave us 15 set shots which we kicked 8.5 from. Much easier game when you can find targets, although we also took some big marks which might not have otherwise come off. Reversal of roles this week with Salem 0 CBAs and Sparrow 14/64%. Salem also 96% possessions in the defensive half. Would be expected I guess given we had 2 defenders go down, but given the 0 CBAs it was clearly in the plan from the start. It also helped Sparrow get into the game more than he was last week.

I think Tomlinson’s fate depends on TMac and Brown - if one of them needs a rest Tomlinson comes in. Given the short break I’d imagine we’ll see him in at least one of the next 2 games. Having said that Port look rubbish so maybe we don’t need to play anyone on Dixon.

Currently 10th on our all time goalkicking ladder, should pass Yze soon and could get the Ox and Greg Wells this year too - I’m not as worried as some about defensive efforts, he knows what his job is

Not even in the same league

Ginnivan begging for frees - earn a kick you parasite

A lot of different mids in too, Kozz, Sparrow etc. I think we’re taking it easy

Struggled a bit that quarter to find targets. Hawks flooding back and playing on the counter makes it tough but we should break them down eventually. i though our game day experience and activations were lame but geez these hawks staff are phoning it in.

Honestly hope they’ve deleted him off all past players contact lists, absolute [censored]

I’ve swung around on them too, $cully and getting robbed of all those draft picks when we were hopeless had them at number 1 for me, now I think I’ve been brainwashed by their social media team.. also they play good footy.

Actual team/players it fluctuates a bit but if you take fans into account it’s the Pies by a mile. Just terrible humans.

Not sure BBB as sub makes a lot of sense if that’s true, but they can push someone up the ground and put him in the square if there’s an injury elsewhere. I’d guess it’s a plan to rest him and transition Petty in over the next 3 weeks with 2 games in Adelaide on a short break. Play Petty this week against a softish defence, probably play Brown against Port and maybe rest JVR, then Petty miss the second Adelaide game or some combo like that.

Richmond pulling 56k out of 101k members last year is equivalent to us pulling 39k (56% of members), we got more than that.

Agree with this, not many thought TMac and BBB were going to get through a game and they did. I’ll be shutting my eyes anytime it looks like someone’s stood on Perry’s foot but I don’t think it’s worth panicking over picking him.

Thanks for bringing this up on the pod @binman (and apologies my username is a bit of a tongue twister!). George makes a fair bit of sense that we were going head to head our bulls against their bulls and he’s right that they had Bont and Libba in all day with Treloar at most as well. They did spread it a bit though with a few others (see below). I still think it’s strange we didn’t have Sparrow in for 5 or 6 at any stage. We were basically 2 bulls out of Oliver, Trac & Viney in with one outside mid being Salem at most with Kozzie in for 7. I would’ve thought we could afford Sparrow in there as the second bull at times to give the others a rest but maybe it wasn’t so much us matching against their bulls as us not giving them a chance to rest Bont and Libba? I’d expect if McGuinness goes to Oliver again we’d see him push forward and Sparrow might get a look in this week, and just more general spreading the load with the hawks not having the firepower the dogs do.

Surprising to see Kozz get 7 CBAs and Sparrow none, especially after Sparrow was in ~25% against the Swans and ~45% in 2023. Seems about right for Kozz imo, get him in to shake things up but not wear him out. Sparrow might have an injury? Seems odd not to use him in there at all.

He knows the feedback he’d get if he did, genuinely one of the worst in a crowded field

No ones crowd is a reflective of its membership (except GC, see below). 2023 average H&A crowd vs final membership totals, pies had 106k members, averaged 60k at games or 57%. Tigers had 101k members who thought they were still good, 49k still committed enough to turn up or 43% - I’d expect they’ll get around 92k members this year as those bandwagoners realise its another rebuild. We got 56% of our member number to games on average at 39k of 70k, slightly above the overall average of 53%, so we bat above. Suns are an outlier as they got 82% at 19k ave crowd vs 23k members but that’s just cos their membership is so low, get 5k oppo fans to a game and you’re laughing. Our crowds are fine, it’s bias and [censored] from the media and oppo fans that we don’t turn up (and it’s not much better when our own club talks us down as fans).