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Looks like you've finally got it!

I don't know what you are talking about - ANY other club could draft him in the Rookie draft if they have a pick before Hawthorn. Hawks want to delist Langford. He has a year to run on his contract and understandably wants the money and says he'kll retire. If the Hawks pay him out it counts in their salary cap. Hawks tell Langford don't retire, we'll re-draft you in the rookie draft and pay you the money outside the cap. Any club could draft Langford before the Hawks do and they'd have to pay him standard Rookie wages - it's a risk Langford is taking.

The first paragraph probably explains it: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-01/hawks-to-rookie-langford-in-crafty-list-move

He has to be drafted, that's they key point. The move of salary cap is dodgy I agree but he has to be drafted onto the Rookie list.

I don't really see a major problem with the first two of these: Hawks have delisted Langford with a year to go on his contract - that will be counted in 2019 salary cap if they paid him out. Maybe by re-drafting him as a Rookie whose pay does not count in the cap they are able to get away with this - slightly dodgy but OK. AFAIK DFAs have to go on the primary list and anyway Hawthorn should not be able to pick up its own DFA. Don't really see too much wrong with the Lyons deal from a rules point of view. Clubs should be allowed to delist and pay out contracted players and when that player is delisted another club should be able to pick him up as DFA. It is surprising that GC want to get rid of a ball- winner but that's a different question mostly answered by @grazman Surely GWS has to redraft Mumford. There were some rules put in place around this following the Mal Michael "retirement" a few years back. GWS should not be able to pick up its own delisted player as DFA - only another club should be allowed, therefore draft IMO. So that appears the most dodgy one to me. Would like to hear what these new AFL list rules that allow this are

If you want to lose the money another way you could take your $100 and back the GC opposition each week cumulatively. Yeah some weeks it will be $1.01 but some weeks you will see double figures in the cents.

Rohan traded to Geelong and now Sydney looking at Menzel. Hmmm.

My Dogs fan mate who has a good eye for talent says Honeychurch is not up to it. Lamented every time he was selected. Him and Roarke.

A hell of a lot of groupthink that we need, believe we need and should be or are priotitising "outside speed" and "kicking skills". IMO for better or worse it's far more likely that we will continue to prioritise contested football attributes above anything else and that we believe fast ball movement comes from winning the contest and gaining metres far faster than players can run.

I expect that the fixture would have been provided to official media outlets under embargo ahead of the original Wednesday noon release so they could prepare their content to coincide with its release. Now it has been delayed for a day because "some clubs were unhappy" any changes should be known to the media. It will be interesting to hear what they are.

current state of play for every team http://www.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings

That "angry" kangaroo in their new logo is so lame.

He has to replace Cyril and Burgoyne - he's not that good

Apetite for the contest will continue to be criteria #1, 2 and 3.

One season is a long time in a fast developing team. Our R1 starting midfield was Jones, Oliver, Maynard. Viney injured, Bradshaw doing detention at Casey and Harmes a fringe flanker. Posters here lamented that if Tyson was selected ahead of Maynard we would have won - quite possible, but now he's gone. There's a massive love affair for VDB here and I'm a big fan of his re-signing. Maynard is a pretty similar player.

It's a curiosity to me now though, not a matter of anguish because it was just another fork in the road to where we are now and I'm happy with that.

It's irrefutable that is true, seriously.

Might see J.Smith and/or Hunt in with the forwards next year. Can't wait for serious training to begin so we can see which groups players are in.

They got rid of the high mark on that bag over Robbo - I think when one guy landed on his head. Now they have the "high ball" from the machine. Could still be Haymes Harmes High-ball

Yes he's shorter than I thought he was, plays taller.

Free blood nose with that question? As if he wouldn't have known.

Hasn't worried Chris Mayne http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-24/on-holidays-player-snaps-from-around-the-world

Frost was good on Hawkins in the Elimination final, the times that Hawkins marked it were classic lapses by other players failing to fill the hole directly between Hawkins and the kicker. No KPD could've stopped that - it's another illustration of how up field pressure and positioning is key to defensive success.

That is great - how do I see these stats?

Finished 4th in the 2018 B&F in a great year for the club. Clearly the FD still rate him. Explain that to me? One injury to the starting midfield of Oliver, Viney, Brayshaw, Harmes and he's straight in there. He has challenges ahead to adapt to a new role on the wing and probably half-forward but he's too good not to be in the 22. He's be in any club's best 22. The FD will find a way to use his talents and he'll need to rise to the challenge of adapting to his new role. If he can adapt to a new role there's no reason he can't play 2-3 more years - he has been incredibly durable.