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We're talking about filling the last 2 list spots with Bennell and Brown. Goat hates both ideas. I'd like to hear the alternatives.

We have traded our 2020 1st so we can't trade other 2020 picks (unless we have multiple ones in the same round - which we don't)

I think we'll go for our view of best available at 3 and I hope we think that's Jackson because if we're right the upside is huge. I think if we split 8 we might go a bit more needs based - maybe small forwards that Mahoney mentioned in the trade period we would seek to address in the draft.

Do they have names?

Mahoney said at the Info night that we were forced to use 16 players unsuited on the wings this year. I think VDB and KK out for the year hurt us there. He said we specifically targeted Langdon and Tomlinson from over a year out for that position and the great thing about them is that they are strong aerobically and don't need to come off and that means we can concentrate rotations on the midfield group. IMO KK training with the backs looks like he's been pushed out and if he can get up he can fill a deficiency we have back there. Fascinating to hear Harmes is with the backs. Don't know what to think there.

Goodwin said the signs were there in the 2nd half of the Hawthorn final when we could no longer play our style. I recall David King saying in the review of that final "if Melbourne play like that against West Coast next week they'll get smashed" and he was right. So it wasn't "suddenly"

Thanks this is key info IMO.

I like it, Jones is either midfield depth or defensive forward IMO. He can't play other roles e.g. wing or defence. According to Goodwin he has come back in best shape this year. I'd prefer Jones to ANB.

One question asked why we have only 5 good kicks on the list and included Hibberd in the set!

I'm a renowned happy clapper so the informative midfield pre season graph is preaching to the converted. It was interesting when Lamb was addressing the Frost trade he reeled off backline players but didn't mention Petty. Later on Goodwin said one experiments from the 2nd half of the season that worked and we'll persist with is Petty forward. Ironically for the first questioner that means we'll see plenty of OMac back in 2020. @binman fortify your defences and sharpen your spears. Also interesting was Jones small forward and Smith back.

It's risk mitigation. If they really want Green and we don't bid they win big time - pick 4 and Green. This is just a safety net get out method in case we do bid.

If we bid on Green GWS could split 4 for a later 1st rounder and a 2020 1st rounder and match the bid with 2019 picks and quarantine the 2020 1st. For example trade 4 with GC for 15 + 2020 priority 11. Use 15 and later picks for Green and end up with a better 2020 1st rounder than they just traded away. There's lots of permutations.

I think it will ultimately come down to where we think the players we want will fall. 10 + 22 12 + 18 14 + 17 All offer similar value but may deliver different players.

You'll be singing a different tune when Lever and May are MFC Premiership players.

Candidates for pick 8 trade: Freo: 10 + 22 GC: 15 + 20 Geelong: 14 + 17 (24 too late for me) Port: 2 of 12, 16 and 18

The cobblers are the pro recruiters and the cobbling is recruiting, that's what ProDee is saying. Let the experts do what they do and amateurs and armchair experts should be circumspect. You are not a cobbler.

Still didn't answer "who" specifically we should be going for.

Jarrod Witts?

I agree DS and 247, we'd be pretty set on pick 3 now and have half a dozen plans in place at pick 8 because live pick trading.

Pretty sure MFC bid on Green at 3. If GWS down trade for 2 x 2019 picks all the value will go on the match. Their best strategy is to trade 6 for a pick in the teens and a future first. That way only the teens pick and later picks get swallowed by the match for Green, the future 1st is quarantined. Possible clubs are Geelong, Port and GC (2020 mid 1st round compo)

Occam's Razor says we want him at 3. Taylor explicitly said we don't play games in the draft - although he was referring to a bid on Green, I think you can generalise the concept.

GWS get 20% discount on the bid pick points. They have to use their next highest picks in order. They would get Green and 43 as change from 14 and 17 on a bid at pick 3.

Yeah all made by couch amateurs. You gotta trust the experts you pay to do the job. Taylor said there was a 2 day conference to work through the candidates and Goodwin was involved so there are plenty of checks and balances. If Taylor and co think it's Jackson then the club needs to back their judgement.

Yes that's another way players can move up media and fan ranking without actually playing. What recruiters think gets into the public domain. Re-read AW's post, he said "how can he move up without playing?"

That's a good link thanks. So he played 5 Colts games after the U18 Championships so judging him solely on the Championships is flawed. Taylor said in his interview that he really focused on particular players - probably Jackson. He got a lot of hit outs in those games so understandably played a lot of ruck. I'm happy to take him if Taylor rates him. Pretty big excitement factor.