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The discussion is fine - this is a football forum - a discussion over the merits of trading someone is par for the course. What is also par for that course, is the judgement of posters and the 'discussions' they seemingly can't stop faffing on about - so continue with the stumbling around in the dark looking for your proverbial pants.

I think he has been better than average. He has held that backline together all year after losing Lever and also Hibberd for a bit. He gets marked on a curve but he is a role player and has been executing that role well all year.

They play keepings off footy and avoid contests. I’m sorry, but we are built to beat teams like this. We win the contested footy and then let teams off the hook on the outside. If we don’t switch off like we have done for 2 of the 8 Quarters we have played them - we will win. Will totally understand a bit of stage fright - in the first 5 mins - then it is time to get to work.

He is also a big effing unit and uses the whole apartment.

What a great run from vanders to be entrenched in that side. Amazing. If Tyson is done then Viney and Hannan. JKH survives as he is serviceable and is more use than Bugg.

That was a reference to Oscar. Weideman is tracking normally - his ruckwork is a point of difference that he can build a career out of it if he can stay relevant as a forward like today.

Ah. if it is a ‘snake’ system. It won’t be terrible. If it is not that and the top teams get 27 and 45 then it won’t go anywhere.

So the top team get 27 and 28 instead of 18 and 38ish? The draft is meant to help the teams down below. I don't immediately hate it. Willing to listen to arguments though.

He's a gun footy player - he can do whatever he wants on the field. Garry Lyon was the same - put him wherever and he will be great. Getting back to the point of this misguided thread - the only time we trade him is if he requests a trade - you don't shop stars and he is one. End of story.

The more people we can throw through there the better for our depth.

Yes, but his stints through the middle freed him up and helped out other mids. I am not saying he is going to not be allowed in the forward 50 - just that he should go through the middle more - he can do it.

He knows what to do in there. Excellent footy brain, huge tank, good in close, great hands - you didn’t see him in there earlier in the year?

I think that is true, but we have tended to wave away all criticism from sane sources because of the extremism of a few posters that I literally don’t see anymore (ignored). The beauty is in the grey and Goodwin is a smart and talented footy person with good relationship building skills. He has struggled maturing a team whose expectations jumped because of the level of talent that has been flooded into the club and the way the players have embraced the contested footy and aggressive ball movement. If we had split the games we lost by less than 10 points. We would be 15 and 6 looking at being a win away from a home prelim... I didn’t expect that in year two of Goodwin. And I also didn’t expect that Hawthorn result and said as much at the time...

Get him in the middle more

We aren't building the cake so to speak, we are in icing territory and we need skills and outside talent to take the next step and win a flag.

This is driving me nuts; I have bitten my proverbial tongue but... Three dots in a row is an 'ellipsis' and it is used to replace superfluous text and I use it as a way of leading the reader to a 'open question' or statement. But three commas in a row is not anything. It is usually followed by the 'sticky keys' popup that comes up wondering whether you need help easing use of the keyboard and avoid injuries. ,,, Just no.

I have a three word rating for this thread...

He is stalling.

My problem is I don't think the faith in Oscar is being repaid. If we are putting together a backline from a healthy list, I don't know if either is in it.

Roos spoke about the veil of negativity and we have our little MFCSS references but they have so much truth to it. You are raised by your environment and there are some more affected than others, some have enough self-reflection to know when they are being ridiculous and temper their thoughts, and then there are those that want to disengage with the neuroses of the supporter base altogether. We see reality through a lens of impending and inevitable doom and watch as a lot of us slip back into that over the next weeks and years of pending and sustained success. We are going to get a bunch of bandwagoners and let's try and keep them around. They will come for success, for Gawn, for Oliver, Hogan and Brayshaw, and let's try to build an atmosphere and an ethos beyond the proclivities of the rusted on inmates that we all are.

What about those posters that just put their thoughts into that thread? Was I contributing not supporting the club. Obviously that is rhetorical.

It's about 97%...

Mate, you have no idea...

No tears just yet. Just relief, really. We got 'miles to go before we sleep' - but it is a milestone and we will enjoy it. Kudos to all of you that hung around - it doesn't get easier but we have to opportunity to do some damage.

That kick to Kent for the sealer was just emblematic of his growing maturity. Excellent.