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Tyson, Salem and Hunt for Kelly and Gardiner? That one is still up in the air... And, no, trades don't get downgraded based on what a 'club was going to pick up at a later pick' because that is a hypothetical that rejects reality and rejecting reality is a bad thing.

So Riewoldt and Watts are as talented as each other with the same predispositions in physicality and courage? With the same god given endurance and marking ability? @Dr. Gonzo - the difference between a Watts and Riewoldt or a Kennedy and a Viney are intangible and tangible. The tangible differences between Watts and Riewoldt are so marked and numerous that the difference in intangibles don’t even register. Don’t matter. The intangibles that Watts didn’t live up to - commitment, application, ‘giving a [censored]’ - only meant he didn’t become a better version of Jack Watts. Not some delusional fever dream that he shat away the chance for us to have a great of the game play for us.

Really, you think this? And the 5 posters so far that liked the above? You think he was 'application' away from being Nick Riewoldt? You think he was 'giving a [censored]' away from being a great of the game? I thought this thinking died years ago, and we all came to the conclusion that he was never able to reach those heights because he is not that type of player. Would you say that Ben Kennedy is 'application' and 'commitment' away from being Jack Viney? The very fact that some fans think this - floors me. He was never going to be the reincarnation of Nick Riewoldt, and to judge him on not getting there and blaming a lack of application and commitment is delusional and one of the many reasons we this is so personal to so many. You were promised Nick Riewoldt and no-one ever explained to you it was never going to happen, and no-one took the blame but Jack.

Zac Clarke maybe. The others; nah.

In some order: Viney, Oliver, Jones, Gawn, Hibberd, Jetta, Tom McD, Hogan, Hunt, Petracca, Garlett, Tyson and Lever are above Watts in our 'player rankings'. That's 13 players. Lewis is declining but an argument could be made. ANB is rapid rising and so too Oscar for the specific role they play. If Brayshaw can stay on the park he could be anything. Jack Watts is a role player, which isn't a slap, I love role players - have enough of them do their job and they will win you flags when the stars cancel each other out. But the suggestion that he is amongst the top players is incorrect. It is one of my issues with the club throughout all our admins and many FDs - we never treated Watts like the role player he is. Get a question about Watts - 'Jack is a role player at this footy club, next question...'

It is interesting to see this kids experience juxtaposed against Schache; both had homesickness and underlying mental health issues and one is not set upon by all and sundry like the other one. Amazing what being picked high in the draft does to the narrative around a player.

Aspects I don't believe: - JW 'ramped' up his partying to unacceptable levels after his injury - The FD decided to trade him after a supposed trip to Bondi - JW is a 'culture killer' Aspects I do believe: - JW reacted in the negative to an unflattering exit interview - The FD was frustrated at the reaction and decided to shop him around - The coach and co-captain did themselves no favours by refusing to play a straight bat to FAQ around JW - The FD has every right to move on any player for any reason acceptable to the board. - JW is a very popular player at the club, but that the Leadership Group fully endorses the move of the FD - The FD is moving him on because they are intent on creating the frenzied defensive pressure that just won the tigers are surprise flag The truth is usually in the banality of the wearing of everyday relationships, the dithering of those that refuse to accept hard truths, and the hamfisted approach of people who are new to critiquing players in a public sphere where only the 30 seconds you spent talking about JW is the only thing selected from your 30 minute appearance. I think all people can move on knowing they tried to do the right thing and didn't quite get that execution correct but that their red and blue heart was in the right place.

Nobody tell him/her. He/she will just waste either an afternoon or the next few weeks...

And (apologies if this has also been mentioned coz I am not reading any more of this thread) we recruited the bloke that GWS picked up with that pick in the 20s! It was McKenna for Frost, ANB, and Oscar. And then we got McKenna for a couple of pick swaps in our favour! Looking like a trade we can't lose from here, but one that might net us 3 best 22 players. Definitely ANB.

You're kidding yourself. The bloke is now the difference between us and a flag? I am assuming that is what is the conclusion of 'instrumental, logical, and positive' things would be? We need to beat teams like Freo at home, NM beat us twice, and in the biggest game in a decade we start like that against Collingwood? We are fast running out of excuses and are about to be plum out of scapegoats come Monday. I hope Nate Jones and the boys are ready for the real acid in 2018. I expect top 4 and I expect to win or be beaten by an amazing team.

Kinda has a point, and it was said in jest people...

I don't know what those stats tell anyone. He played in a range of different positions and played good games 2010 onwards just not many in succession or consistency. You are going to have a hard time convincing me that 38 goals, 6 marks, 2.5 I50s, and 10 kicks a game in 2016 is not his best return. And that 2014-2016 was his most consistent spell in his career.

Still in the last few picked... ANB went past him this year because he more regularly hits targets and does more selfless team things (and his pressure is more consistent, the stats bear that out too from a cursory look). When we had those injuries I thought he would be able to do more but he wasn't. Still very much fighting for a spot round 1 from what I can see.

Are you saying that Bailey did in 2011? I am fairly certain the consensus is he has done nothing before last season. Can I get a spokesman from The Consensus?

We might want to keep ND45 and package up a couple of hose other picks to get back into the first round... Mahoney keeps doing things like that - I think it is admirable we look to get as much quality chances as possible. Sound strategy if you have identified a talent you want to be in position to select.

Love Lever, but we won't suddenly go down 18-24 points in points conceded. Hate to be a killjoy but that only happens when terrible teams become subpar teams. We need a quicker flick of the switch from defence to attack and the best way to do that is by having the footy and that would be an interception rather than a stoppage (fist out of bounds). Quick release to get that ball to a player on the other side of the ground and we are away through the corridor or that flank with hopefully Hunt and Hibberd being able to higher up the ground when they receive the footy. So while McDonald would have stopped those 3-4 goals he didn't set us up going the other way as superbly as someone like Lever should. So I see him as being an offensive weapon. PS. Forward here, I have been told I see everything through the lens of moving the ball forward. While I don't see that as being entirely true, you have to score don't you?

The first 8 seconds I watched ten times - two NM players run into each other, one of them knocks himself out as Lever does a blind turn and leaves them to their brutish dancing. It is very funny that the MFC put that highlight first up.

Would I now? So I critique Goodwin for not making the finals and partially blame his coaching, and you think that means that I would give the credit to someone else if we did make the finals? That doesn't compute. I don't have a 'Roos > Goodwin' Agenda; objective reality does. This team hasn't done anything, didn't do anything under Roos, and hasn't done anything yet. I am impressed that Goodwin, Mahoney and co. can convince the best young defender in the game to come to the club with that in mind. If we had played against Port, we would have won, if we played against GWS I would have bet on us, and if we played at the G in the Prelim against the Tigers that would have been something. If you have a problem with specific criticisms of Goodwin and the way we play, I would be more than happy to defend those. I even started a thread so you wouldn't have to travel around to find them. It's on the footy board.

I didn't mean to confuse you - if we finish in the bottom 4, the draft pick we gave up will be worth much more than what we are currently projecting. If I thought we were going to finish in the bottom 4, I would not have intimated there are no excuses for not competing for the flag next year. Therefore, that trade being 'measured' is dependent on how we go next year because top draft picks are more valuable than draft picks that are further down the draft order. Does that follow?

I guess that is me? I was about to give my obligatory 'Teenage Lottery Draft of the AFL' line so I say 'well done, Josh!' It will only blow up in our faces if we finish in the bottom 4... As for Goodwin; he has done well to convince Lever to come to a team that has done nothing. Kudos also to Viney, Mahoney, et al. 'Goody' now has an excellent collection of talent at his disposal in my opinion for 2018 and beyond. We have star defenders in Hibberd, Jetta, and Lever. Star mids in Oliver and Petracca, with excellent help from Viney and Jones. And a forward line with Hogan, McDonald and Garlett can create enough chances to kick enough goals. We are in 'hashtag noexcuses' territory.

I hate Gavin. We all have a Gavin in our lives, don't we?

Now this makes sense. I don't know how good your mail is but this is plausible because it means the club didn't initially want to trade him and that desire was instigated at his reaction to a negative exit interview that stopped short of telling him he was going to be traded. I just cannot imagine - if the club had decided he had to go since 'The Bondi Trip' - that he wouldn't be told at his exit interview.

ND29 is more value than I thought clubs would offer for a player we are clearly trying to move for a myriad of reasons. If I was Port I wouldn't have it on the table. If I was Jack I wouldn't move to Adelaide... But I would be the kind of d!ckhead who would play twos for a FD that didn't want me just for the chance to play for the Dees...