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So does JT and i'll back him in. If we make a play for 1 or 3 it will be for a good reason.

Some very good points in this thread. For mine a large part of problematic behaviour (to cover racism, alcohol & drug missuse broadly) comes down to societal norms and accesibility at the time. Alcohol has stood the test of time and will always be prevalent in society. It's misuse causes widespread damage but given the prevalence its damage is blown out proportion a little bit. 50 years ago blaspheme was considered much more harmful than racism. Multiculuturalism came along and racism became a bigger issue. In another 50 years time there will be stuff we think is fine now that our grandchildren will think is completely unacceptable and morally wrong. Drugs like dope & coke, although still illegal (or decriminalised), don't raise an eyebrow because they are considered socially acceptable. Drugs like meth & juice are rife but not socially acceptable because of the carnage they are causing on the users. In jail the population is loading up on bupe because thats the easiest thing they can get in. Problematic behaviour is subjective, relative and evolving.

Good he'll fit in. The more players we get that keep Collingwood's premirship out of the news the better.

I think West Coast or Reid's manager have done this with Reid, with him coming out and saying he is happy to go interstate. It gives West Coast a stronger hand and forces North or the Dees into offering a suite of picks to make it more likely to happen.

We don't lack competetive beasts

I don't mind the low possesion count given his high score involvement numbers. He is damaging. With the amount of time the ball spends in our forward line he could make a real difference.

Spargo produced a much game in the 23 finals than McCreery did or could. Not sure what Spargo was doing for the rest of the year but his spark was back and looks set for a good 24.

Surely that is aimed at us

I'd prefer it stayed that way but its hard to fly under the radar when you are a premiership CHB at 21 and kick bags of goals when you go forward

If his foot holds up he will have more trade value than he does now but i hope he stays, more valuable to us than draft picks.

I'd be amazed if Melbourne hadn't come to an agreement with McAdam before he nominated us

I am firmly is the keep Petty camp but I'm guessing it comes down to how highly JT rated Thilthorpe is his draft year.

If we are making a play for the number 1 pick & Reid there are going to be alot of dissapointed people who want us to change our game plan. This would signify we are doubling down on it. The bloke is a human battering ram that gets it forward at all costs. I haven't seen any evidence he kicks like Nick Daicos.

He wont be replacing him as a forward

I don't know why we even bother with early picks when we do so well in 25 - 40 range

I'm death riding whoevers picked at 14

This. We seem to do well when we trade picks

I'll back JT to bring in talent with the draft picks. He has the runs on the board and will continue to deliver. A key ingredient in building a strong competive list is retaining the talent. Looking to the future at all costs is no way to build a list. You seem like you are happy to go for the early picks but you'd trade the player we get in 5 years for more early picks. Retaining talent is easier and more benefitial than brining in new talent.

And Adelaide don't rate Petty based on their offer...

@Macca you keep tying the draft pick we reciece with some kind of inverse relationship to the proportion (if any) of salary we pay. Is this common? I would have thought the more you value someone the more willing you are to pay their salary and offer a better pick not one going the opposite to the other. Understand there has to be a balancing act with a range of factors just interested is this how trades work nowdays?

I hope Sydney pay pick 25 for Adams. There is no way we are taking less for Grundy who they need more and doesn't have re-occuring soft tissue injuries.

The pressure is on Sydney to get the deal done. Grand finalists 2 years ago, bombed out this year with dubious goal reviews that always go carltons way and have just bolstered their midfield stocks. They will see Grundy as an essential piece to having a crack at the premiership. The deal is nowhere near as important to us he can play at Casey unless Gawn is injured.

You can vote a political party out

This is it. I am completely biased Melboune but i would expect our players to be suspended for the same act

That will be intriguing. Will be awkward for the AFL if Brayshaw is forced to retire following that thugs AFL sanctioned footballing act