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Nice highlights reel. I had bit of a chuckle seeing Jack Viney try and take on the world to receive the crushing Merrett tackle.

Would love to get Brown! I think we would need to shift some players around but we could certainly make it work. Fritsch and Salem on half forward flanks both with nice delivery by foot. Kossie / Spargo roving off both Weid/Brown i think would be a potent forward line potential. Can't find a spot for Melksham if we want to turn this forward connection thing around. Salem is a natural forward, he is great off the backline but i believe we have few half backs that can play his role. ie Lockhart/Rivers.

Maybe David King, shrugs?

Ok that clears up plenty! So i take you are happy if Jack signed on for 5 years? You seemed to avoid the whole topic and just tried coming up with insults. Not funny, nor clever. You talk of irony and you are displaying the opposite of Polyanna yourself. I did not go out of my way to insult you in the first place though. I hope you feel aggrieved.

As FA we trade him away and get back compensation though right? Late 1st round or early 2nd round? Trade that on and get an outside midfielder and we would be much better off imo. Tmac/Harmes also were best 22 losing either would also make our team worse? There is no fact in the matter. Pure opinion!

Yawns!!!! So 7 months difference...who really cares you are being super pedantic and obviously love Jack or you would have just agreed with @Dr. Gonzolike you did already rather than carry on a futile argument to other posts. @Pollyannaan excessively cheerful or optimistic person by definition. Clearly not when talking about lover boy Jack!! Or people that are not great at arithmetic. Don't even know why i am responding to this. Do you think Jack is worth extending for 5 years regardless of his EXACT age?

Ok so 28 by end of 2021 29 by end of 2022 30 by end of 2023 31 by end of 2024 32 by end of 2025 i think my maths is fine here....the main problem is Jack is not worth renewing for 5 years. The age part is semantics and i was not being precise and threw out his rough age. Turn on me if you love Viney i guess! This was not to get pedantic about my lack of arithmetic, more that he does not deserve 5 years with us on what he has shown. Carry on!

He is currently 26 and still does not do the basics well. It is just too long of a contract for a limited onballer. I could name 2 from nearly every AFL team i would prefer that show more skill and footy acumen. He is super predictable to opposition, not so much with his teammates. Personally i hope we trade and get an outside mid, we will be far better off.

So he'd be roughly 27 by start of next season...add 5 to that and you get 32. He is not worth a 5 year contract, much like Harmes. The only players i would consider giving 5 years to are Oliver/Petracca. None of the rest are worth blind faith. If we are giving out 5 year contracts we may as well extend Goodwin for another few years too. Not trying to convince anyone here....just don't think Viney is THAT good to extend him playing for MFC for another 5 years. Players get injured like Tom Mac and then we are stuck with the consequences of ridiculous contract durations. Harmes got offered 5 years also for no real reason. List management i have zero trust in currently.

If we lost either Petracca or Oliver and Goodwin stayed. We would have very few members next year. i for one would flip out. If we renew Viney for 5 years i would also be really unhappy. He would be 32 and there is zero guarantee he will ever do the team things like dishing the ball off to a player with red and blue. Effort is there but he shows very little footy intellect.

i find it hard to fathom that they would be uncoachable, we just don't seem to try many different setups. Opposition teams just sweat on on us and converge. When we win the ball they are ready to tackle and just continue to push us backwards, hence the dinky little handballs backwards continue under severe pressure. Why don't we ever try not having a ruckman? Try an extra onballer instead and sweat on the opposition when they win the ball? It would be nice to see something different occasionally. How about let Clayton get the ball and try and create options out wide both left and right? He has superb hands and is great handball but it always seems that nobody is creating an option for him to get it to out in space. Brayshaw seems to add little bit more balance by staying further to the outside at most stoppages, but is also a very lazy footballer imo and does not work nearly hard enough going either forward or back. Gawn never seems to block for our onballers either, i see this being a major issue why we don't get much easy ball out of mid. We badly need a midfield coach with some credentials! I was amazed watching how West Coast came on under Mitchell in just one season. They now innately just work for each other at stoppages. They are not about how many Supercoach points they get. It is about blocking/shepherds/taps to advantage/creating space and they are never predictable. Even when they are it is hard to stop, they work as a team. Until our mids get a lot less selfish not much will change. We have AFL standard mids and ruck and this should be easy enough to fix and gradually build layers. Until they work smarter /harder/less predictable they will dish up similar results. Win the hitouts but lose clearances....Lot's needs to change!

How about goals against in last 30 seconds of a quarter. Would put money on us being frontrunner there!!

i would love to see a stat on where Max Gawn hits the ball from Centre. My bet is that over 80% are a cute little tap over his left shoulder. The problem starts there imo, super predictable. It also sets up no space for any of our mids to really do anything constructive. Clarry gets ball but can't go forward as Gawn is blocking path there already, so handball backward to Viney 2 feet away, who charges and coughs up the ball. It seems like all our players set up like Under 12's compared to other teams. We don't seem to create any space for each other at stoppages, by giving these crazy little hot handballs that generally go backwards until someone finally takes responsibility to kick it. How about running forward and creating guys??? The hot potato handballs we seem to do a lot of are fraught with danger and it really feels like beyond Clarry/Petracca there is no one to break lines. If we continue the dinky handballs i hope our mids and ruck learn to shepherd for each other,(graduate to U14's footy). Viney seems to be cause of many issues in and around stoppages. He wants to get his hands on the ball first, and see him itching to get in and get the ball. He loses track of his opponent nearly every time. He competes with same ball as Oliver/Petracca way too often. If he gets it he just charges and gets caught holding the ball way too often, or another stoppage. When he plays a defensive role he does not seem to be able to decide when to stay in/out. He very rarely holds his ground on the outside of a stoppage. Like a bee to the honeypot he gets dragged in nearly every time, which creates less space, and we are left with nobody to defend opposition goalside. We seem to lack creativity in this area of the game called stoppages. There is not much strategy that i can see, it is everyone see ball, get ball. There is so little craft which is an indictment on these great players, and even moreso, our array of coaches. Feel like our gameplan is to actually lose all key areas of the game but have an amazing backline and we can start attacking it from there. Stoppages used to be our strength, if we had more than Plan A at them they could become a strength again. We are just too predictable to play against. Comes down to craft/tactics/game plan and working hard without the ball to make it easier on mates. We play like a selfish team of individuals mainly. Apologies Petracca as i know he is busting his gut to do the right thing and create. Much more i could say on just this area of our game, this is enough for moment though, i need to wake up, caffeine calls!

1. Oliver 2. Petracca 3. Langdon 4. May 5. Viney

Really?

I am approaching 50 and have more mobility than Tom. No amount of coaching is going to fix his body. We have the ability in our list, we need to get the best out of them. We will likely be stuck with him for few more years as no team in their right mind will be interested in him. We are likely stuck with Simon also fwiw! We will change his assistants no doubt but i am not confident with Simon at the helm we will see the best of many of our players. His idea of a system or brand is shonky beyond belief!

His 6 goal game against Carlton took well over 3/4 of the season....he was an absolute liability up until that stage. No doubting his best was good enough prior to these last few seasons. Brown was dropped after his 1st game....i don't believe he has nearly had the same run of underperforming the Macca was given. Brown is 10x the player Tom is atm. We persisted with Tom for far too long. We have struggled to connect forward of centre for a long time, Tom is the main reason for that. Goody picked him though, i blame him more.

I think here lies the issue. He made a mistake and owned up to it by telling little porky pies....NOT by being honest. He would have been fearing he had blown his career and has scrambled a story together that does not quite add up. Football clubs are not run by fools, and don't like to be treated as such. It is a shame but i would say him not telling the truth will hurt him the most here. Reading between the lines but so much of his story just don't 100% add up. Most likely gone.

Brown played much better than Tom with limited opportunities. Tom should have been dropped early in 2019...his form was horrible. It took him over 3/4 of a season before he had one good game and got promptly injured during that game. Fast forward to 2020 and he was almost a liability for over another half a season. Again he should have been dropped multiple times. The coach stuck with him for nearly 2 years where he barely warranted a game. Nothing McDonald has done over that period has been of AFL standard. Might sound harsh but my eyes tell me he has been awful, don't need to look at stats to confirm this! I really hope he gets an offer from another club, even if we have to pay a portion of it. No way he is getting back to his best, looks completely shot as an AFL player.

The Essodus begins. Hope is true they we will be even more rabble without Merrett/Saad...maybe Daniher. Hahahahahaa!

Perryman i suggested in another thread would be worth a look at. McKay would be a better longer term option as a forward, Casboult if we just wanted few years of support for Weid.

Viney can read?