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Maybe he just got news that he was getting contract extension and needed a good pi$$ up!

They must have a lot of fun in the showers, win or lose.

This Melbourne team just scream professionalism. 16 minute quarters and we play for 1 out of 4. They have a job which lasts just over an hour and they are [censored] around like teenage boys. No wonder we have no consistency if this is what they learn at training. Absolute muppets! Grow up children!

It's pretty laughable but there are rumours out there that he was meant to be tagging Cripps lol. Shaw might be another Goodwin, trying to put certain players in unfamiliar position is my only reasonable explanation. Other rumour that Harmes is asking his manager to look at options. If true i would say in both cases it is clear the player is not happy out of their best position. I could see it in both cases, both are somewhat out of favour!

I'd believe it. His contract should not be big issue, we paid him slight unders and got him for a longer period. Most of us have been complaining last few years that we have too many inside bulls. Trade and get in some outside run. I don't think a decision to get rid of Harmes, who is pretty limited when it comes to positions, is going to hurt us at all. In fact i think we'd be better off. He can't play midfield unless it is in a tagging role. Before he was a tagger with some success, he never had a best position... and he still doesn't. Trade imo, he should have some currency if 4 clubs are showing interest.

That game against Carlton he was meant to be tagging Cripps apparently....it is why he got dropped. He is an outside player and i think he would actually compliment our side pretty well on the other wing. i can imagine him having a fallout with Shaw if he is asking him to tag inside midfield bulls, it is not his thing. Will be his last chance at a 4th AFL club. He will be desperate to make it work. Easily in our best 22, massive upgrade for our wing opposite Langdon. Be silly not to interview him especially if North are going to pay fair portion of his wage.

Petacca out of the names mentioned is the only one that has any real flexibility atm....IMO you should not be playing all of the other 3 guys at the time. They struggle on wings/half back and half forward. I would be looking hard to trade at least one of these guys, they upset our balance nearly every team selection. It's harsh but i just don't see positions for them apart from mid.

Would take Perryman also, not getting paid a heap with other stars taking the lions share of money. Their list is rich pickings, surely we can nab a decent player from them!

They need a ruckman apparently....Preuss for Polec haha?

234 pages currently on him over there....from reading last 5 or so pages there sure is a lot being thrown up...Like he has chronic fatigue syndrome etc....feeling i get is most definitely don't want to lose him. i was surprised myself that a Collingwood supporter could be so eloquent and balanced. Certainly not your standard nuffy!

Take this down please mods if not permitted! From a Collingwood perspective, a supporter that takes a reasonably balanced view on Jaiden Stephenson .

Am i allowed to copy and paste something from Collingwoods forums regarding Stephenson?

May just come down to price. Saad reportedly 500-600k. Zac Williams closer to a million. I think currently Saad is the better player, in a much worse team. Saad just wants to play half back and attack the game, said to be unhappy with being experimented in other positions. Williams has more versatility but has a huge pricetag for what he is. Would be stoked to get either honestly, both are great attacking type players with plenty of flair. A backline of May/Lever/Rivers/Saad/Hibberd/Lockhart or Tomlinson sounds pretty amazing/exciting. I hope we get one of these deals over the line!

Lucky you are not negotiating then! Saad is a gun that would be in first 6-8 players picked every week for us. If he's available we should be offering 4-5 years and get him in. He could take Fritsch role of last season at half back, this year it has been Harmes spot. Saad would be massive upgrade on either. I can only think of Zac Williams that comes close to the flair of this guy in his role. Dodoro may be hard to deal with but not impossible. Essendon love him because he tries to negotiate good deals for them. If it were Peter Bell i could understand being more circumspect! I can think of plenty worse...

If Viney is worth 650k, why not!!

Sad but i can't see any club being interested with his form over last 2 years. On 700-800K roughly a year, we would have to pay half of it and i still think there would be no takers. He has fallen so far in quick time. Hope by miracle he rediscovers some of his best footy, just seems really unlikely now :(

He actually gets a nice mix of lead up marks, but also natural instincts of roving off the pack. Exceptionally quick off first few steps, you can see from all his highlight packages, he brings others into the game.

I probably am being harsh on him....more frustrated on the back of a few good games he was extended for 5 years. Between Harmes/Brayshaw and Viney we have 3 players that seemingly can't or won't play other positions. All 3 lack a thing called versatility. I feel we are way too predictable with all of them in the side. Not half forwards, not half backs, they are mid or bust types. We just have too many similar types, and i think if Harmes were not locked into future years, he would be the first i would look to trade out some our predictability. The problem is a tagger is not needed every week, and a tagger must be able to win their own fair share of the ball anyway. Like i said in last post one of his biggest issues is he does not know when or where to run, as quite often he is caught ball watching or charging in when he should be waiting on outside. Decision making is always an issue. If he can develop some footy smarts he can improve greatly, just not sure he has any/many.

IMO Harmes is not a natural footballer, he rarely knows what to do in most situations. In the middle he has looked utterly lost at times playing a non tagging role and was constantly getting caught with the ball. He looked much better playing a tight tagging role vs good players, because they took him to the ball. Playing off half back his skill set of closely checking an opponent should have made him a good fit for this role. He tends to ball watch rather than get in the right positions, have watched him closely over some time now. For a player with his speed and strength, why is he never breaking lines? Why we signed him on for 5 years i will never know! I feel we will be much better when he is fringe best 22, not an automatic inclusion. He is hard to find a role for because he does not have much as weapons....strong for guy his size, reasonably quick, average hands, can take a mark, hit and miss by hand or foot. If he had footy smarts he would be good football player but he does not win his own ball often enough. His decision making is atrocious most of the time, from stoppages in the middle, to half back. Only role i see for him is a half forward pressure one, where he wears a good backman, and gets taken to the ball. He has lot of support from posters here, actually really surprises me....very average footballer. Any good tattoo shops on the Gold Coast, need another one for my Birthday!?

Stephenson i watched a bit of in his junior days playing for Ferntree Gully. Was a real stand out. At AFL level i think he has done enough to make any team interested. My guess for him getting dropped is he was waiting for easy balls on the outside. There is no issue with him going in hard from what i seen in both juniors to AFL seniors. He has exceptional pace and some real natural footy smarts, would love him playing for us!

I reckon he'll play to kill St Kilda haha....Probably be his last game of AFL. GWS should come out all type of fired up this week, they play anything like they did against us, they should beat St Kilda. They should all be angry, be a cracking match!

Luke Ball from Essendon and Lenny Hayes from GWS been let go too now. Lots of good assistants around, be interesting to see the changes coming!

I think there is something about Charlie but don't think it will be the Caleb type role. I could see him playing forward for a 200+ game career with us and have some big moments in finals. He has the grit required to make it and he has improved on every part of his game from what i can see. His tackling, his pressure, his kicking distance, he has kicked 8.0 for the year, he is accurate. He never seems to get too carried away when he does good things, and has that look on his face like he expects it of himself. We need to build a list of players that have skill, footy smarts, heart/courage, and that will to just win. I see him as an integral part of us becoming a great team. Anyone thinking he is a trade or delist currently will change their tune and want to ruffle his hair in the end! He is developing nicely. Respect little fella!

Hmm that really does make you wonder. Better midfield coach i think we need either way. Feel like considering our onball talent ,there is a very limited amount of craft going on. Both Petracca and Oliver do some sublime things, both can become so much more. Exciting that i think neither are close to hitting their ceiling yet. Brayshaw too has not hit his ceiling either. I find Jack hard to rate....i think he has lot of things he could do to improve upon, and many of them are relatively simple fixes. Ultimately i guess we need to find a way to get the best out of all of them. Each of them to me want to be champions of the game, particularly Clayton and Petracca.