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We are without doubt paying more than what Geelong would have! He would have got offered maybe 500K max to play down at the cattery. He was on over 600K with us on his last contract i am sure this one would be similar. Geelong don't overpay their players....I would also say that Tom Hawkins is on similar money to Tmac, maybe even less :P

Getting Savage in would be our form of getting ruthless!

He marked most that came his way....i would say watch some of our games some time. He got better as the year went on. Not sure what game you are watching lol. You are way off the mark!

For all the people bagging Tomlinson on a wing....we may have recruited him for that role but he is clearly better in our backline. He has barely missed a beat all year. For you baggers you would prefer Omac? I don't get the angst about him one bit. He is automatic best 22 and he rarely stands out doing silly things during the course of a game. Worth the $$$ we spent on him.

i was sort of hoping he was a real estate agent, was going to inquire about buying a property from him!

Tomlinson is on not much more than 400k fwiw....800k?? Where did you get that from??

He looks far from a dud, maybe watch footage of him.

He looks really darn good. Hard to tell what is his natural foot, uses both hands too. Ambidextrous would be my guess looked so natural. Clean hands, good pace, lovely disposal to advantage, lot to love there.....Where is he meant to be going as in how high in draft?

Brayshaw can only get creative when he gets a chance to play midfield. I think you would find Viney has had a lot more opportunity? Either way our 3rd best mid is very limited and that is picking either of those 2 guys. If you could put Viney heart/effort into Brayshaw you would have quite the footballer though! Both are limited in the roles they play imo.

Yeah it fits the narrative of people who think Jack is great. I agree it is well thought out and researched though. SO if it were pointing to all his flaws would it still be great for you? i Doubt it. i am sure he had to search very hard to find the positive examples he did show. Watch any game we play and there are so many more dubious moments Jack is involved in. Giving 3 or 4 examples of Jack doing the right thing does not make me blind to all the dumb stuff he does during the course of every game he plays. BTW i highlighted your post but i could have chosen half a dozen others who just seems to think Jack can do no wrong, definitely not personal. I think he is an interesting topic to discuss, for better, and/or worse. There are many other players on our list that probably deserve more scrutiny. FA has changed the way teams can attract or lose players. I would not be dancing in the streets if he were to stay or go...i do find it enticing to think of Petracca/Oliver working with a more rounded onballer though. We feel very predictable with JV in the guts, other teams onball brigade would feel the same i reckon.

I watch every Demon game twice. i could pull many examples from each game but it is not my technical expertise to pull out screen shots to illustrate this. Seems many here think we will always be better with Jack in the team leading the charge. My eyes tell me otherwise all too frequently. He is not a spud by any means but has and will continue to be a very limited onballer. If he was Cripps size he would be scary with his attributes but i don't think he is due for growth spurt. At 26 i don't believe he will get better. His younger years i could accept his limitations, he is just not developing into anything but an average midfielder. *The fact that he has come so high on our B+F so often is really a reflection of MFC, we been bad for most of his years. It is not that Jack is THIS good and we should keep him at any costs. No anti Jack whatsoever. Just realised we are very limited while he commands major midfield time, and i would not pay him as small pressure forward, he just does not show enough smarts.

IF it suits your narrative that we must keep Jack. He probably does more stupid things within games than good from what i see. Could show hundreds if not thousands of dumb things he still does at 26 YO. You could scroll through any game to find examples of this. He plays like his old man but few inches smaller. Todd also was a butcher with ball in hand. Viney name means a lot to Melbourne supporters but i doubt he will ever drag us to being a good team when he is one of our onballers. We will continue to play like under 12's while he is in the middle. Tough, uncompromising but very dumb footballer with ball in hand.

The longer this takes the more chance Jack Viney heads off to Geelong. He is clearly not our best onballer and is quite limited for a 26 YO who should be at his peak. I think Melbourne would be silly to offer him any more then 3 years. Geelong will offer 4 and likely get him. So many posters think he needs to be a small pressure forward...would you want to pay 600k+ for him to learn this role? I just don't see his value and he will still have his limitations, see ball get ball type, stuffing up structures, he does not do the team things innately. Basically play a kossie role but with no where near the amount of natural ability. I love Jack, but think much like Jones before him he does not show true leadership. He just wants to crash in harder, which is admirable but so often he is crashing into a player who was in over the ball already. I really think without him being automatic selection in the midfield we would be much better off with a smart outside player. There would be plenty available in the 500-700k mark that would make a real difference to our team instantly. We can keep Jack and know exactly what we are going to get, toughness/hardness/not much footy smarts. He is 26, has currency, and i think it would be far more beneficial to us to get a decent draft pick in return. Would not be surprised at all if we told him to explore his options as we really can't afford to have both him and Harmes in the same team. Harmes is contracted for years otherwise we would be trying to offload him too. We get what we can for Jack and wish him the best. With new faces brings hope. I have no faith that JV will ever improve with us, it is not like he is suddenly going to discover footy IQ and make better decisions.

Paywall....can you summarise the article?

Nice highlights reel. I had bit of a chuckle seeing Jack Viney try and take on the world to receive the crushing Merrett tackle.

Would love to get Brown! I think we would need to shift some players around but we could certainly make it work. Fritsch and Salem on half forward flanks both with nice delivery by foot. Kossie / Spargo roving off both Weid/Brown i think would be a potent forward line potential. Can't find a spot for Melksham if we want to turn this forward connection thing around. Salem is a natural forward, he is great off the backline but i believe we have few half backs that can play his role. ie Lockhart/Rivers.

Maybe David King, shrugs?

Ok that clears up plenty! So i take you are happy if Jack signed on for 5 years? You seemed to avoid the whole topic and just tried coming up with insults. Not funny, nor clever. You talk of irony and you are displaying the opposite of Polyanna yourself. I did not go out of my way to insult you in the first place though. I hope you feel aggrieved.

As FA we trade him away and get back compensation though right? Late 1st round or early 2nd round? Trade that on and get an outside midfielder and we would be much better off imo. Tmac/Harmes also were best 22 losing either would also make our team worse? There is no fact in the matter. Pure opinion!

Yawns!!!! So 7 months difference...who really cares you are being super pedantic and obviously love Jack or you would have just agreed with @Dr. Gonzolike you did already rather than carry on a futile argument to other posts. @Pollyannaan excessively cheerful or optimistic person by definition. Clearly not when talking about lover boy Jack!! Or people that are not great at arithmetic. Don't even know why i am responding to this. Do you think Jack is worth extending for 5 years regardless of his EXACT age?

Ok so 28 by end of 2021 29 by end of 2022 30 by end of 2023 31 by end of 2024 32 by end of 2025 i think my maths is fine here....the main problem is Jack is not worth renewing for 5 years. The age part is semantics and i was not being precise and threw out his rough age. Turn on me if you love Viney i guess! This was not to get pedantic about my lack of arithmetic, more that he does not deserve 5 years with us on what he has shown. Carry on!

He is currently 26 and still does not do the basics well. It is just too long of a contract for a limited onballer. I could name 2 from nearly every AFL team i would prefer that show more skill and footy acumen. He is super predictable to opposition, not so much with his teammates. Personally i hope we trade and get an outside mid, we will be far better off.

So he'd be roughly 27 by start of next season...add 5 to that and you get 32. He is not worth a 5 year contract, much like Harmes. The only players i would consider giving 5 years to are Oliver/Petracca. None of the rest are worth blind faith. If we are giving out 5 year contracts we may as well extend Goodwin for another few years too. Not trying to convince anyone here....just don't think Viney is THAT good to extend him playing for MFC for another 5 years. Players get injured like Tom Mac and then we are stuck with the consequences of ridiculous contract durations. Harmes got offered 5 years also for no real reason. List management i have zero trust in currently.

If we lost either Petracca or Oliver and Goodwin stayed. We would have very few members next year. i for one would flip out. If we renew Viney for 5 years i would also be really unhappy. He would be 32 and there is zero guarantee he will ever do the team things like dishing the ball off to a player with red and blue. Effort is there but he shows very little footy intellect.