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Martin Pike won 3 premierships with the Lions

4. Collingwood. If Jackson resigns with us (I doubt he'd go into the psd), the Pies are well and truly stuffed. They will have to hit any bid on Grundy. 🍿.

Think that far ahead? Melbourne had just won a premiership and were strong favourite to win it again this year. If he went to Freo end last year, imagine the bemusement and potential vitriol from the entire football world. And how exactly would he anticipate that Freo would finish top 6 and be offering perhaps a 2nd rounder less than what is probably fair. Pinning anything to Jackson here is utterly ridiculous.

Without any other assumption of player value it is the one the industry uses. There's a fair bit of historical data in it (although im not sure if points get revised yearly but perhaps they should) 2013 cripps went at 13 (boyd 1 kelly at 2) 2014 lever went at 14 (trac at 2) 2015 curnow went at 12 (schache at 2) 2016 jy sympkin 12 (taranto at 2) 2017 brayshaw at 2 clearly better than the early teens. Poor draft year 2018 Butters at 12. (Lukosios) In some years 2 was better, other years picks 12/13 + something else was. Its kinda 50,50. Like you say it depends on the draft year and if theu think its an even draft its a fair trade for Norf.

Yea I agree. We have a strong window for the next 5 years and Id take Aaron Cadman in a heart beat and throw the eggs into the basket. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but a shame we didnt opt for Mckay or Curnow or even Hipwood in the 2015 draft.

Because assuming Freo finish 6th next year, North would then be receiving pick 13, pick 13 and Logue for pick 1. Pick 13 + future pick 13 are equivalent of pick 2. So it would mean norf give out pick 1 for pick 2 and Logue... need to give something back. Fwiw, if you say Norf are stupid for doing this trade but if they did it, we should then take the pick 1 and split it up.... thats exactly what Norf is doing.... pick 1 is incredibly overvalued in most draft years (balances out in years where there is an out and out standout) This year its pick 2 anyway so I reckon it will get shopped around.

Their best player is 19yr old. Sure they'll fall back from the pack next year as the draw gets harder and they stop fluking wins but once he moves into the middle, they will build their game around him. He will be very cheap for a few years and will probably play for slightly unders to remain a Pie, enabling them to attract other talent.

I have no emotion of this thread except its telling me the likely odds. Lol. Like i said. Keep going.

This thread clearly. Ps the earth wont blow up tmw.

As the odds would suggest. Gutsy. Keep going

No it is diatribe. We were red hot last year and beat the best in amazing circumstances. That wont be repeated. We had a hard draw and finished 2nd. A well coached team beat us in the 1st final. We are not embarrassing. Whats embarassing is out supporters is expecting to be the ants pants week in and week out. Thats not how football or anything in life works quite frankly.

Unsubscribe. What diatribe

This is the dumbest thread on DL. Never has Melbourne been less than $ 2 to win the flag. Its like playing blackjack and saying I dont think the next card will be queen, king or an ace. You have the odds on your side when you say i dont think X can win. Real gutsy stuff lol.

Good observation. And they are ultra efficient and opportunistic on the turnovers. Down corrider, lower the eyes, take some risks. Imo that game style alone wont win you a premiership but Sydney do change it week to week. Very well coached.

Or not lose by 15. It appears we only had 15 players after quarter time.

He's hard at it, but not super strong so he's been caught a lot all year. My bigger frustration is when he has the ball. Handballs to feet, handballing back into traffic, kicking over player's heads, choosing the wrong target, no natural goal sense when he does get a snap chance. But hes always running out games, vital to our defesive set ups and linking up so its a tough one. Game of missed opportunities and mistakes tonight across the field.

If Lobb moves to WB, Freo will get pick 11 (Finals dependant). So pick 11 + pick 14 + next year's Freo first rounder (with 2nd going back maybe). 3 first rounders is probably around the mark and equivalent to a top 3 pick + top 10 pick. Freo's argument will be theres the adequate draft capital/value, its up to us to convert into top whatever. (this should be the minimum imo) As an aside, drafting in recent years has been very, very good across all clubs. Very few misses. 3 picks in the top 20 will likely land us some talent or the capital to acquire a King, Mckay etc.

I think they let the people know when first Rance, and then Franklin was made AA captain in 2018. He wasnt part of the leadership group at the Swans and like Hawkins had never been captain. Since Selwood they spread it around now. They dont spell it out because they know the outrage and debate get the clicks! Woewodin immediately springs to mind

They've just racked up an average of 1 tackle per player for the game. Going well.

6. Pickett 5. Lever 4. Jackson 3. Rivers 2. Petracca 1. Oliver

Thats right but the way its concluded, it won't sound like much because once you represent it as 'over the average', standard devations become relevant. In this case, +0.75 marks is many standard deviations over the mean. I look at it this way, an extra 0.75 marks is worth 50 points (15 shots at goal, 50/50 conversion). That's 3 percentage points. Over a season an extra 50 points to points for is arguably worth an extra win. For sure, I'm not saying he is the sole answer to our forward woes, but when you have someone clearly better than the rest delivering the ball and who struggles to hit the scoreboard himself, Im a believer you at least try something. They tried Fristch as a back (fail), tried Gus on a wing (win), try Spargo into midfield rotation (?). Our game plan is too dogmatic in the belief of big body contested ball winning in the midfield but we are still the number 1 contested ball team. I suggest we could suffer a small loss in that aspect for statistically signficantly better ball use.

His numbers are off the charts. He's kicking to the same forward line as the other blokes (without his towering marking presence admittedly). As another poster mentioned he hangs on to the ball and waits for the leading patterns to develop and then you can almost see him working out which is the best option and then executing. Only Melksham imo has this spatial awareness and execution (on both feet too). Rather than looking to get more Spargo types, how about he simply gets a bit of a run in the midfield. Our coaches and game plan is so inflexible to give him a run for even 5 minutes to see what it looks like?!?! There's trusting your process, but there's also a concept of trying something new (with solid rational reasoning) when something isnt working consistently.

Or alternatively, why don't we say these guys are pretty ordinary kicks, so how about we try and find a way to get Spargo more of the ball going inside 50? Wouldnt kill us to give him a run on the ball for 5 minutes a quarter.

The players themselves surely wouldnt give a toss after the game starts. But its an absolutely brilliant pr moment from ED. These comments have generated headlines. If it gets people talking and hype about the game and leads to extra bums on seats or people watching, its winner winner duck dinner. Not every person that goes to the footy is a mad follower, so the more we are in the press to stir a rivalry, the better imo.

Stopped listening at 3.22 when she compared the bringing of this to light... to Mebourne Tanking.. Every time I think she is an unbiased journalist (this, Clarkson etc) she slews forth utter verbal diarrhoea.