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And Fritta has tackled since Day 1? What about looking at what the players possess and can learn? Ie tackling All his highlights show his (JVR) competitive instincts IMO. Just his physique and lankiness is similar to Wattsy. Jacks draft highlight reel showed ability to mark overhead but he was not able to compete regularly as a key position player in our teams from 2010 - 16 but his skill was more evident as we improved as a team in 2017. Reckon JW would have been a handful in Fritta's position now with our big forwards around. Yes he would have learned to tackle and compete harder as Fritta has done over the 4 years.

Wrong It's on channel7 in Melb at 7 pm and Fox at the same time. interstate on 7 mate and Fox also at AECT (SA) AEWT (WA)and AEST (Qld) You might have to check with your phone Roger !!!! Or local paper!!

Petty as well !!!

You forgot Petty btw.

Bowey has got run and carry to his game and finishes it off with super disposal.

That position is what? back pocket ? or half back flanker ? very much depends upon match ups ie smalls or talls Hibbo is good especially to smalls and competes very manfully vs talls. Adding Tommo to defense if May Rick and Harry are in the team may bd one too many talls. Tommo isn't quick enough vs smalls and Salo and Bowzer and Riv are fine vs them with Riv the best to cope with mediums and tallish light on mediums and up to say 190 cms Hibbo is good also and depending upon their speed Tommo could be ok also. So let's not just pick our 6 or 7 best defenders without major consideration to the ball on the ground and minding the Weightmans of the world . Tommo is a class defender as are Harry Rick and Maysie so we are well stocked in all positions to cater for what all the the oppositions are going to throw at us in 2022. And Riv Hunty Bowser and A class Salo are all good to great smaller defenders that any other side would be jealous to have to choose between. More of the same in2022 please!

Demons 21 to 2 ( not 31)

Sorry but it is not 2015 to 2021 Demons 31 to Hawks 2. The following Hawks are certainties Sam Mitchell , Jaeger Omeara Sicily Silk and Like Bruest and possibly Jack Gunston. That's 6 Those from our GF side who would not beat these 6 for experience consistency ability and team discipline over a decade or a 5 year period are: Petty Spargo Jordon Sparrow ANB and Harmesy. Thsts not too denigrate any of our players but the above group have only played ONE season of note and not even established a regulation spot yet in our best 23. ( They all deserve to be selected in Round1 however as premiership players) But if you had to select players over the 5 years those 6 Hawks are ahead as of end of 2021. End of 2023/4/5 very different story probably.

Partly Agree Balls about Salo but he needs at least 2/3 more years at his current level before he passes Brett Lovett in our rankings I believe. He will especially if he plays in a flag or 2 or 3 more!!!

Let's compare from 1925 to 1972 then and see how many Hawks???

I dispute your comment IRW that Tmac's form "suddenly collapsed" when he was moved forward. My assessment of the situation at the time was that Tmac's disposal was a real worry turning the ball over too often and at the time we didn't have a great forward line. Before He left Chip Frawley was played up forward and I think it was Roos that gave Tmac a shot at FF/CHF late in either 2015 or 2016 to bolster our attack. We all know about 2018 and 53 goals for Tommy but really this year I believe his first 2/3 of the season were just as valuable and that the injury was the main reason his form dropped for the later part of the season. However from where Tom was at 12 months ago he was still handy up forward as he needed a first or second defender to mind him. He helped out in the ruck up forward snd things like his bullock ing work and goal line strength were very valuable in our Finals. Sgsin he is training well and I expect Tmac to be named as CHF in Round1. Weid goes not compete like T Mac so it will be interesting to see what happens with JVR this season. Also Jacko and Maxy spent more time up forward as the season progressed and both made goal contributions and needed undersized ( vs Max) defenders to mind them or compete in ruck situations up forward. I like to think Tommy plays a role like Mark McClure did for Carlton in their three flags in 1979,81 and 82 with plenty of mediums snd smalls and a Mackay ( Jacko) floating plus a ruck in the mix snd BBB taking his tall extended arm marks that no defence can stop. Lets not fret about Tmac too much who IMHO played his role like many others and look at our scores since Round20 and results. Go Dees back to back or three peat or ??? Who knows.

Utter rubbish look at our last 6 Finals !!!

Don't really think VDB had any choice when push came to shove.

KDA sorry but you have not looked at our last 6 Finals. Jack Viney has been in our top 3/5 in all games except the 2018 Prelim Final where hardly any one played well. I also suggest you look at the GF again and see who got the ball out numerous times for our outside mids to break open the game and score multiple goals. Jack played one of his best games ever and has changed his role for the teams benefit. He looks to pass the ball on first grab he gets and no longer takes on the opposition and gets caught with the ball. I believe Dunstan will be valuable and get games as part of our midfield mix but form and injury will decide over the season who plays in the AFL team. Sparrow especially but Harmes and Jordan also deserve their spots if they are in form and fit early days 2022. But Dunstan is a good player who will be valuable in 2022 at various stages, But to say he will work better than Viney with our rucks and mids after the Finals is not correct as their chemistry was as good as it gets from Round 20.

You are very well catered for with my below par typing at times. I must keep you super busy at times !! Demonstone.

The more I see of Sparrow the more I like him. Reckon Luke will play as part of about 6/8 mids and a few others thrown in at times to vary the mix eg Kossie.

Boy at least they are not competing for the one spot!!!

?????sorry don't understand Demon.

Brayshaw NOT Bradshaw

Absolutely Wrecker but I feel he needs to be in the 2/3rd ruck given a leash to get around the ground. Stuck at FF he is not marking enough or bringing the ball to ground. Even try him at CHB and he will succeed. Think about his Finals games in 2018 and even his game vs Carlton best games ticking and around the ground. That's the same as Dogga plays when he is freed up not in the one position.

Agree 80,000 or sellout is possible !

Good summary of us at late 2021/early 2022.

It's the mix of players ALL are different and nearly every one has more than a few tricks up their sleeves that makes our Forwards difficult to match up against Also the opposition forget Track and the resting mids and rucks ( Dogga and Maxy) and that each player needs watching themselves. Plus that we have never not been able really to get the ball into our forward area and now with so many good players and our system working with the delivery from defence or midfielders it's impossible to stop. I would rate all our forwards and resting mids and rucks as at least 7/10 with Fritta Trac BBB Kossie Tommy all 8 or above. Any one on a given day can score heavily or star or bog or 3 vote Brownlow. And let's face it they are all DAMN GOOD FOOTBALLERS who are well coached. Plus they are asked to compete and tackle for their lives each game! We have very little to worry about our forwards compared to many other teams.

It's one day of the year. It's the flag unfurling after 57 YEARS. Let's not get too precious about these dates and times. Some will still complain re Sunday so be it. !!!

So correct Satan I made the same point on Page 2 of this post. Look how our goal scoring improved when BBB came in near the end of the season. Fritta Jacko and Gawny all scored more as more defenders were needed to mind these guys. Then you had the smalls plus mids at ground level!!