grazman

You missed Darren Bennett and Jacka, also one of my favourites that never took off - David Cordner. Very unlucky indeed.

I think he's smarting from the demotion from the captaincy. It's voted on by the players and there have been various whispers and innuendo for a couple of years he's not on the same page as some of the other players (certainly some commentators have alluded to this). I don't think Jack feels unloved by the FD, as by some of the players and I definitely think there's something going on with the group dynamics. He may have decided to cut ties just due to this. I'm an unabashed Jack Viney fan and his strengths and weaknesses were on full display last night. He gives everything he's got when he steps onto the field and has a manic attack on the ball, but he also tries to do it all himself and burns the first option too many times? He was penalised at least twice - and probably lucky not to have a couple more as well. Last week he bowled over Trent Rivers to get the ball - there's some aspects that he needs to correct and adjust, I love his desire, but that's just dumb footy. He needs to sit down and have a coffee with Jack Riewoldt and talk about how to play for the team and not just himself. We have a surfeit of players for his position and if it's his choice to leave (which would sadden me) then that opens up enough salary cap space for someone like Zac Williams who was very good again having copped a stinger to the shoulder in the first five minutes. It could be a genuine win win for both club and player (if he can get more money at Geelong), by balancing a tough outside player with good disposal with our inside bulls - but the nostalgic Melbourne Demon in me would need to curl up in bed with the covers over my head for a few days.

or perhaps Norm Smith.

Depressingly predictable.

Was it my imagination or did the Aints (more than once) when tackled last night simply drop the ball for their team mates to pick up and run off with. Surely incorrect disposal

No, KC is just trolling - typical click bait analysis. I doubt half the time he agrees with what he says. If it had been overturned given the goal umpire was standing right there and called it a goal - now that would be a real controversy. I haven't seen any evidence that it was touched before the line.

According to some North supporters on BF his contract was heavily front ended - however you have to wonder why a club that recruited him on a five year contract wants to offload him 2 years after it signed him. He can play however, number one for metres gained in 2018 at North, but due diligence obviously required.

I was thinking more Justin Murphy... but yeah Pike had his issues too.

Gary Hardeman left to go play for Sturt in the SANFL before returning for final season in 81. Can't think of a recent player though.

Hmmm... his fourth club will sort out his issues. I wouldn't put money on it.

Sorry to interrupt the flow Binman, but Viney was Captain yesterday - but everything else I agree with.

It would also include what you consider to be 'big money'. If you don't know what he's on just say it... but it's not unusual for sides to recruit against a known deficiency in their list. So Tomlinson's not playing wing and AVB is - are you arguing we could have banked on AVB making a recovery and that Frost is actually a better backman than Tomlinson. There were also other issues at play with Frost being traded?

Oh ok... well let's have a discussion. How much money is he on? I'm not being a smart [censored], I genuinely don't know.

No why?

Define 'big dollars'.

Why don't they bring it though? Until the game is played and coached by robots the issue will always be more complicated than the 'system'. A good game plan can look decidedly crappy if the players don't understand it or aren't invested in it. Are ours? To me Goodwin is a very poor match day coach because he has poor situational awareness - he reacts far too late to what is unfolding before him. We had one of our poorest defensive quarters for the year off the back of a 7 point half time lead and three wins in a row where we'd smashed teams in second halves due to our conditioning - where was our momentum going into the second half? Two minutes into the 3rd quarter it was obvious there was a fire in the kitchen - a coach with good situational awareness would have reacted instinctively - an even better one would have understood and anticipated what would happen next. - Bevo was always going to try something new and it had to start with Pressure - christ we saw it in the pre-game coverage with his boxing theme (get off the canvas and go again). The Bulldogs game plan falls apart under pressure - the third quarter had to be our highest pressure quarter of the year if we were going to win, it was one of our poorest. This is a rare occasion where I actually don't think this is about the players, I think its about the preparation and mindset and that is specifically on the coach. Flipping magnets is a euphemism for a "Hail Mary", it isn't about flipping magnets its about arresting the oppositions momentum - something Goody has a very poor track record with.

Sorry I can't agree, it was patently obvious at half-time that Bevo would try something different as Dunkley in the ruck wasn't working (he said so himself) and yet we actually had no response to any of the changes. I think sometimes supporters see what they want to see to, but from where I sit I we're behind the Bulldogs and the Saints, I think at this pace Carlton and Gold Coast will overtake us next year as well. There's a lot not working and I think it emanates from the coaches box.

Obviously. At least we both agree on Lever!

I think Lever and Salem were pretty good as well. The only reason we weren't really belted.

Lost in the coaches box, taken to school by Bevo.

3 possible scenarios in order of likelihood: 1. They've developed/stolen an effective vaccine that may result in catastrophic unintended consequences ie. it makes COVID worse. 2. They've developed a placebo vaccine that actually does very little, but has little unintended consequences. 3. They've developed/stolen an effective vaccine that has few unintended consequences. FWIW I'm a glass half empty kind of guy - and considering we've never discovered a vaccine for any other corona virus i'm betting the most likely scenarios in order of likelihood are: 1. There will be no vaccine 2. The vaccine will only have a limited shelf-life in terms of immunisation 6-12 months. 3. The vaccine will be effective and offer immunity for longer than 12 months. I won't even go into how you immunise 7.8 billion people.

Nup. We won't get a compensation pick if we sign a RFA ourselves.

Yeah sorry i was mentioning those stats not in a mdfield sense, but to demonstrate why Viney going forward would help the game plan.

Viney is first and foremost a midfielder, but one of the problems with the game plan is that we still lack enough defensive fotwards to continually lock the ball in the forward line. Viney is ranked as elite for stoppage clearances, contested possessions and goal assists. If it helps balance the side for him to spend more time forward it's worth a go.

Overrated by those here or the FD, because i bet London to a brick he won't get dropped.