John Demonic

If anyone besides Gawn took a pack mark in the forward 50, I'd nominate that. Just for how rare a sight it would be for this club.

All? So no qualifiers? Goodwin is about a twice as good a coach as Paul Roos?

Sheesh it will be 35 by the time we use it

Hell yeah, this is a great move. I think it also might tap into Hardwick's psychology. The Tigers era has been and gone, and he's jumped ship right before it sank. Maybe they think we're in a similar boat to them: footy has moved passed us, and we're delusional about having the personnel and the buy-in to play the speed and skill of 2025 footy. Buy shares in our death-ride! Conspiracy Theory Time: What if the events of the past week were a concerted effort to play up this image of an unstable club going into next year with two stars that don't want to be there, to convince the Suns, who we're currently in talks with for Pick 13, that we're a basket case and our future 1st is hot property. Hotter property than their pick 13 this year. Surely, no club is that cunning. Pert, Clarry, everyone in on it, trolling Geelong and Gold Coast simultaneously. I'd love to think we're playing 4D chess and we're not a basket case. What a wonderful pre-2023 fantasy. Joking aside, if our current crisis could actually benefit us in some way by getting us pick 13, that's a pretty big positive to take into next year and we'll be better equipped to make that Future 1st a measly later pick.

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How do you know it wasn't a body double?

This bloke looks like he's been through the wars. Specifically Iraq and Afghanistan

Any truth to the rumour that Clarry loosened a salt shaker and ruined Gary Perts dinner?

Well that was yesterday. Today's a whole new day for a different crisis! Thank [censored] sanity has reportedly prevailed and Geelong's paltry offers were laughed off the phone.

If you only got your information from melbournefc.com, you'd be a walking lobotomy.

Pretty sure Sam Edmund was reporting it when discussing the review about to take place. Of course we do not have any facts. It's not going to be a contract written on a piece of paper.

How can I know? Rumours that the project would fall over if Pert was sacked, were reported last month. Just like 'rumours' of Clayton Oliver wanting to play for Geelong, are being reported now.

The project falls over if he loses his position at the MFC, is enough of a red flag to me.

Pert sounds like the kind of power hungry politicking guy that uses a home base development project to service his own personal needs and wedge himself into an either/or sack me and it collapses ultimatum. That really sounds like the kind of fake two-faced person that develops shallow interpersonal relationships that slowly crumble as more and more people cotton on to the grift over time. And we're where we are now. That can't be good for "culture"

What happened to the power being in the clubs hand with the writing of a long term contract? If Geelong are desperate enough they can move the pieces to get it done. I don't see why 'we' have to accept what is offered when the long term contract permits us the lee-way to keep him and repair the relationship without fear of him walking to the draft. Is sitting out really such a fearful scenario that we'd accept so little compensation? Of course the full picture is not clear and we dont know how unified the 'we' is that's pushing him out the door and whether things are beyond repair or not. The ball is in the Cats court to come to the table with something substantial imo.

DeeSpencer already educated on me on that point, and far more eloquently. "Way too" chime in pointlessly.

The point is simply that if a club does not have the value to make a trade, they need to ruffle the feathers of some of their own players and their fan base, to come up with the value. Why should another club make NO concessions or sacrifice any relationship (to an up and coming star) to make a trade happen? A future 1st is not worth the sacrifice we are making, if thats all thats on the table to take his contract and his playing ability. We called them, if they want it to happen, find your player that wants to come to us. The hardline approach is the trade demand, or it doesn't get done.

If Geelong want him, they have to ruffle the feathers of one of their own star players by telling him they want to trade him out for Clayton Oliver. Surely our club can manage taking a hard stance on this? If they finished in the bottom 4 and we demanded pick 4, it would ruffle half of their fan base, but that has to be the cost of doing business. With only pick 15 or a future 1st, they surely don't get what they want without sacrificing some of their own relationships to get it across the line.

Holmes or comparative value. Taking a hardline trade approach is not how this works? I guess he stays then.

He's involved in this trade, or Geelong can eat a bag of [censored]. Let's demand this from the club.

If things are actually beyond repair behind closed doors, I still think the calls to Geelong are an absolute last resort when all other options from every club are off the table. Whatever happened to Adelaide? If he's gone, why are we not pushing him to meet with them again given he was open to a move there. They have the picks. That he's apparently wanting to go to Geelong, and their sycophant media brigade are now driving it for peanuts is an absolute kick in the guts from this club and I'd rather he sit on the sidelines and we work to recover it, than get a mid teens pick from them.

We watched on? Windsor had a fantastic season and I doubt we gave a flying f how Watson was playing. But did he make a huge impact ? I recall him missing every set shot for half a season. and he's kicked a respectable 25 goals, but hardly huge? He played a great final I suppose, but so did Weideman. Ronke kicked 7 in a match and where's he? Jon Ralph you are a dawk.

I just love how in the same breath, they're talking about Bailey Smith not getting done for pick 15 and the Dogs wanting a little more. What the absolute [censored] is this Clarry trade going to be worth and how will it get done? He stays and everyone can GAGF