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Obviously right at this point in time, but most people are smart enough to realise our actual position at this point in time is a false economy.

Would he want to play for a bottom-4 side?

Seriously? So May takes issue with Frosty breaking clear team rules (and the rules of common bloody football sense), but Viney & Jones who aren’t privy to the infraction are supposed to insert themselves into the situation? To contribute what exactly? Immediate honest feedback is what Frost deserved and received.

I’m not trying to misrepresent your point, don’t try to misrepresent mine. You’re not half as smart as you think you are.

Because no one knows conclusively, but you’re aiming to select players who have a higher probability of making it. Saying that one player has slightly outperformed another is disingenuous and misses the point. If Curnow & Weideman both develop into quality tall forwards but Curnow is marginally better, it doesn’t make an earlier selection of Weideman to be the wrong decision, because he probably had less chance than Curnow of turning out to be a Mitch Thorp. I might be wrong, but I think the correct way to judge a recruitment or list management team is to gauge how many hits they had versus misses, not comparing them to others who have performed better but taken later, if they’ve still developed into a competent AFL player for at least a period, and also referencing that against other players left at that pick who actually did make it. And even then, not “making it” can be a fallacy. For instance, Lincoln McCarthy may have been judged a miss at Geelong for Wells, but he was held back by injuries and the performance of others he was competing with for a spot in the 22. His performance at Brisbane has shown that he was worth the selection. Likewise a player like Menegola at the cats would get a tick from Geelong (although not getting a game as much this season for similar reasons), however the original team that drafted him (Hawthorn? Fremantle?) wouldn’t get the same tick, but do they maybe deserve it?

Great analogy. Just like the share market, the draft is a lottery and anyone that pretends to know conclusively is full of carp. Shame there’s no ETFs in AFL.

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The photo really has all the hallmarks of that “step into my office” attitude, doesn’t it?

Yeah, nah, not sure. I doubt that the player you’d get for a downgrade from early first round to late first round, would really compensate you sufficiently to justify losing the ability to choose from a wider range of available players. You might get a role player, but I don’t think you’d get a lot unless one team is head over heels for a kid.

Petty can take intercept marks, but I wouldn’t put him in the category of “interceptor” (and it is becoming less common with the advent of 6-6-6) and I think he’ll develop into much much more. I’m happy when Frost has been pushed out of the side again. His athleticism is an asset, but he makes so many mistakes with the footy in hand that it catches the opposition off-guard when he selects a good option and executes.

As I said, we were a basket case! Do you recall who was in charge at that time?

I’d see Frost go before Oscar. Key tall defenders will be May, Lever, Petty with Oscar as depth.

Cooked. Nice guy, but has no place our list.

The Andrews govt didn’t help us much here.

I don’t think it’s got anything to do with a lack of being ruthless or a lack of trying; it’s the fact these other clubs didn’t grow out the MCG so have their own existing grounds to develop. Bulldogs have Whitten Oval, Richmond have Punt Rd, Carlton, Hawthorn, Geelong, etc... Even StKilda have Moorabbin, although they detoured to Seaford for a while. We’re looking at a completely Greenfields acquisition in an area where land comes at a premium. It’s simply not that easy and it’s something no other club has had to face in recent times. Collingwood came to the MOPT precinct but at a time where we were a basket case (although should have been doing the same) and Eddie had placed himself in positions of influence to take advantage of the opportunity (Vic Aths, etc).

I think this is the only real option we’ll be left with in the end, and I’ve havent heard of any realistic alternatives. I’ve noticed the area under the overpass just before the bridge is currently a fenced off area storage area for heavy machinery and temp fence, etc. Not sure what works it is in relation to. A difficult and expensive build next to the Yarra with a deep basement required, although a riverside bar does appeal. Yarra council are a bloody nightmare to deal with, trade waste and waterproofing costs will go through the roof. Could be a very expensive money pit, but we’re running out of options. Sending Collingwood back to Vic Park would be the best in my opinion, but it’s dependent on them and we could be waiting a while.

Not entirely sure that loss of parkland was that great, but it was a solution that was sure to draw some intense opposition because it sounds like it would take up a lot of area. Trees being relocated is a common occurrence there and the footprint was never going to be that great. It’s more a case of people being opposed to change in general (because they’d prefer it to be a Saturday carpark/mudbath?)

My understanding is that Pert has spent his time on little else since starting. No stone unturned, although I think the Andrews govt used us a pawn at one stage. East Melbourne society or whatever they are called can GAGF.

I think he may have a similar trajectory to one we did miss in Papley (although he’s no mental giant going by his election day interview). However we’ve done quite well in this department of late. The dogs & pies would be asking why they missed out on Hannan & Hore, while we still managed to get Fritsch & Lockhart.

Startling data analysis! Would hope for something a little more insightful than that.

I just know EPL, which you obviously don’t.

I understand there would have been internal politics at play, with Shad Forsyth taking over his position.

Seriously? Wilshere for one was injured his entire career and out on loan then left permanently during Burgess’ time at Arsenal. I think you should also understand what caused the injuries to Wellback, Ramsey & others before making such an ill-informed comment. Just embarrassing.

What about those that intermittently do both (like myself), or does your lifelong principle only allow for absolutes? So you presumably then hold little regard for the bloke you’ve listed at number three, who a few years ago had blown out & had to be given a strict fitness program himself to turn it around? His brother has never been accused of being skinny either.

Serong.