dazzledavey36

Where's the evidence to suggest they 'purposely' finished down the the ladder during those years?

I had Turner, Oliver, Fritsch and Kolt as my preferred options. I know Turner started well but he faded incredibly bad in the 2nd half. He needs a big off season to improve his fitness because I think we see glimpse of what he was able to produce in the first half with some of his contested marking but when we needed someone to stand up in the last quarter to take a mark or two he was invincible. Like all young players these are good experiences for them to take into the pre season and really work hard on the deficiencies.

This is the type of vision that have been shown throughout the year regarding his on field performance though, not just last night. Cornes has previously done it on his Saturday night show and David King has showed more damning footage on First Crack previously.

Or maybe they just had poor games? They both trained fine all week by all reports. Every loss we always seem to want to invent excuses. Chris Scott said the exact same thing after the preliminary final back in 2021 and he got absolutely smashed by our very own supporters on here. Goodwin says the exact same thing and some are happy to give him a pass. To be honest I thought there should have been others that should have been subbed out instead of JVR.

Yep, agree. There's 1 vfl games left for the year. Might as well just play him out at senior level for the year. Had a lot of fumbles tonight.

Sheesh well called mate.

I saw nothing tonight that suggests he's worth pick 7.

Thanks mate. Very intrigued to see what comes of it after the season. Are we talking a coaching restructure?

Some need to ease up on Kolt. Yes he should have kicked it but you can name 50 other crucial moments where some of our more senior players were poor. Take Jake Lever for instance. How on earth can you let a 182cm small forward just take a relatively easy mark like that. Good learning experience for Koltyn.

People getting stuck into Jsck Billings who had s fine game and giving an out for Oliver is laughable. Whilst Billings was working his [censored] off along the wing Oliver was happy to just jog in between contests and have zero respect for his opponent. It was appalling to watch. Honestly wish Goowdin had the guts to sub him off instead of JVR. Send a message.

So predictable lol You just knew it was coming. We are officially the worst skilled side in the competition and some of the errors that was on tonight was utterly pathetic for full time athletes. Horrible and dour game plan that has duck the absolute enjoyment in watching this footy club. Time to officially put Oliver on the market. No more [censored] weak excuses. Paying this guy a million a year to dish up that performance was the last resort for me. Gawn battled manfully and was a clear BOG for us alongside Pickett, unfortunately he went to ground in the last crucial minutes of the game that got them going forward. Kozzie is a star. Great performance. Daniel Turner needs a huge summer to work on his fitness. First half had 8 disposals and 4 marks and was playing like Jonathan Brown. Only had 3 touches in the second half with zero marks. Was waiting for him to stand up. The effort was there but the skill level was genuinely appalling. Its incredibly disappointing the way we're finishing this year off.

Oliver getting taught an absolute lesson by Butters. Can we rip Oliver's contract up and throw it to Butters. Genuine superstar.

Lever..

Horrible game of footy. Our skill level is sub 2013 we can barely get a clean inside 50 entry.

Ffs sub Oliver off

Oliver playing like trash. Sub him out.

What on earth was Oliver thinking!?

Dumb and lazy kick by Fritsch

I'm with you. They could still finish too and have a draft hand of three 1st round draft picks which includes Collingwoods one which they gave up for Schultz. They're in a really good space with their list build and age demographic. Their aim should be a premiership within thr next 3 years imo.

I've heard Jason Taylor speak on this previously. Pretty sure the concept is to get them in early into the program instead of waiting until the November draft. Problem is, we only signed him to a 6 month contract, so maybe he may not exactly be in their long term sights as some think. Perhaps they are wanting to see whether he shows enough at VFL level. I agree with you though, certainly missed the boat in bringing in a mature age ruckman.

With respect to you 'Red' let's agree to disagree on this one.

Freo made out like bandits with this one.

It sums up the soft mentality that supporters like you carry. Happy to accept and be proud of mediocrity. This isn't even about Gus at all. In fact if you really want to pin point the significance the loss of a player then I would say Melksham was a far bigger loss then Brayshaw.

Worse.. Essendon have been genuinely [censored] for 20 years. Blowing a 27 point lead in the last from a Collingwoods perspective.. Grab the popcorn