DubDee

If Elliot stays he will have to take a fair bit less money. Players on big contracts at Collingwood: Grundy (huge), Pendelbury, De geoy, Treloar, Beams, Adams, Sidebottom, D Moore. Even Howe and Cox, Crisp would be good coin Compare that to us: Gawn, May, Lever, T Mac. a few will be needing big contracts soon in Clarry, Gus, Trac etc there is no way the pies can pay Elliot what we can even with Tomlinson and Ed coming

He was asked about the best leaders at the club and named Viney then pointed out one of his qualities. He sets the standard off field with training and committment. He sets the standard on-field with attack on the footy, playing for each other and the will to win. Some of the most important leaderships traits imo. he is not a perfect leader however and I agree he has work to do in the areas you mention. It can be hard to do that when you are under packs so he certainly needs a lot of help especially from the def/fwd lines to set us up. It is fine to criticise but the criticism of him has been over the top imo - not saying by you but in general. calling for him to be dropped from the LG etc. he puts in 100% and would do anything for us to be successful He has earnt respect and I get my back up when supporters don't seem to show him the due respect

so in a team desperately lacking leadership, one of our best two leaders is tradable? I know he had a poor year but he will be back next year and with hopefully some runners in the team to dish off to he will not be caught as often

I think Frost wants to go to a team where is guaranteed first team football. We do not rate him as a guaranteed starter after 4 years at the club - he has struggled to hold down a spot in a mostly average team. Hawks need key defenders and will give him more money and a longer contract you would imagine so it makes sense for him to move. We need a consistent defence that can play a system and not turn the ball over. With Lever, May, Jetta, Hore and Salem we have a good core group. we just need to add some youth to the HF line. I personally have no problem with him leaving. The media will pump up the hawks and the trade like they did with us last year - saying we are favourites for the flag. a crazy notion when we just made the finals.

Many on here don't rate Viney's leadership qualities so it is good to hear from someone that would actually know thanks for posting DD

Trac took steps fwd this year no doubt. For me he needs to regain his confidence bordering on arrogance he seemed to have in his junior days. Learn when to let loose and show his flair and dominance he is already impossible to tackle and a fantastic mark. Great long kick. He is close

Will be interesting to see where Ed finishes in the BnF on Saturday. Stats wise he should be top 5, maybe even top 3. hopefully that doesnt hurt our trade position. I would be delighted to get him for pick 22 23yo, 70 games, about to hit his peak. took 131 marks this year, 2nd in uncontested possessions behind Hill. Can't wait to hopefully get him!

If he was playing good footy and had behavioural issues I’d take the chance but he can’t get on the park. 2 games in 4 years He just wants another contract to waste

I reckon he has read the tea leaves that with a fit list he is not in our first team. He would get more money and a longer deal at hawks so fair enough leaving

The hawks are really going down swinging. A crocked Patton and now Frosty. Topping up only works when you have when you have a talented core group

12 pages on Bennell. times are indeed tough would be absolute madness.

Not sure people really understand our season and how this is reflected in the voting. only 11 players played more than 15 games so the top 10 is basically the players who played out the season. not a reflection of a good season, eg, Hunt/Gus. Viney got 3rd as he played most games and put in every week and did not play as badly as a lot on here think (although it was an average year from him). If we had our best 22 uninjured and Viney put in the same season he would not have made the top 10. see the 2018 voting results. so given the above there is not much point complaining or trying to understand the results. Also, Gawn's season was not as good as 2018, maybe he was influenced by the midfield being so poor but I would say if you looked at both seasons closely he influenced games a lot more in 2018 so i think the votes are fair enough

How is Milkshake second? His first few games were shockers from memory. He had a couple of good games later so maybe he polled top votes?

We are getting Elliot after next season??? You

I actually feel sorry for Toby. Having a role model like this explains a lot. Especially as the father seems to have bailed on the family. No wonder he is an angry man

It’s a great time to compete with Vic clubs. Dons, blues and saints all poor. Hawks are in for a rough patch. As seen by our two finals last year with 90K plus the fans come out quickly when you win. Get that right and we’ll be fine off field

Hopefully GWS do a thorough review of the GF and change their game plan completely or they’ll end up in the bottom 4 next year

It does matter if it’s legal in the first world. It’s relevant. The fact that players are tested for non PEDs is nonsense imo. Conceptually a player should not be suspended for smoking weed imo. If he tampered with his test to avoid getting done for smoking weed, it’s the system and his own stupid decision that causes 4 years. Not any cheating or performance enhancing drug taking

4 years for smoking some weed. It’s legal is some countries. What is the world coming too?!

Nice work Billy Stretch! Take the GC money and run mate!

Why are the afl testing for cannabis? The opposite of performance enhancing. To lose you career over smoking a joint seems insane. I know he was dumb to it but punishment seems too much

If Richo is Goodys mentor, I’m not sure I agree with this. No success as head coach, didn’t see much evidence of tactical skill at saints although they always beat us. Hope they know what they are doing.

So 3rd Vs 6th in the GF. The advantage of finishing in top 4 and especially top 2 seems to have diminished greatly due to the bye. Amazing impact really. Scrap the bye I say. There should be proper reward for finishing top 2. The most important thing at the moment is being form at the right time not being the best team for the year

So the guys saying we gave him a low ball offer were full of BS. Who would have thought??

Greene should get cleared tonight for that face rub. shouldn't miss a final for that. but whitfield and Coniglo hurts. The rested Pies will beat them easy