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Thats where Tommy Mc started, in defence. And you say "it is much easier to play good defense" You may also note that when switched back to defence against Richmond he had his best stats for the season. As a forward this year both have been poor. Your argument continues to be contradictory, so that is all for me.

You said this year and I showed stats for this year. This year they have both been poor. Let's compare at the same age. Player Statistics Comparison Sam Weideman Name Tom McDonald Melbourne Demons Team Melbourne Demons Forward Position Forward 26 Career Games 152 Eastern Ranges Origin North Ballarat June 26, 1997 Date of Birth September 18, 1992 21yr 9mth Age Turned 22 in 2014 195cm Height 194cm 97kg Weight 100kg 2015 National Draft Last Drafted In 2010 National Draft Round 1, Pick #9 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #53 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2019 Stats for Season 2014 6 Games 21 5.3 Kicks Per Game 9.3 5.7 Handballs Per Game 5.6 11.0 Disposals Per Game 14.9 3.7 Marks Per Game 4.8 0.8 Goals Per Game 0.1 0.5 Behinds Per Game 0 1.8 Tackles Per Game 1.7 1.3 Hitouts Per Game 0 1.0 Inside 50s Per Game 0.3 0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0 0.8 Frees For Per Game 0.4 0.5 Frees Against Per Game 0.6 6.0 Contested Possessions Per Game 4.2 5.3 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 10.5 8.7 Effective Disposals Per Game 10.9 79.1% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 73.2% 1.2 Clangers Per Game 2.5 1.0 Contested Marks Per Game 0.5 0.8 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.1 0.7 Clearances Per Game 0.2

Some may be inclined to give them more than 4 days off. If you know what I mean.

They have both been poor. Weideman has more effective disposals, more tackles and higher Supercoach score. Both have been underperforming, so I say TMac has not been better than Weid. Player Statistics Comparison Tom McDonald Name Sam Weideman Melbourne Demons Team Melbourne Demons Forward Position Forward 152 Career Games 26 North Ballarat Origin Eastern Ranges September 18, 1992 Date of Birth June 26, 1997 26yr 7mth Age 21yr 9mth 194cm Height 195cm 100kg Weight 97kg 2010 National Draft Last Drafted In 2015 National Draft Round 3, Pick #53 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #9 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2019 Stats for Season 2019 6 Games 6 6.5 Kicks Per Game 5.3 5.7 Handballs Per Game 5.7 12.2 Disposals Per Game 11.0 3.8 Marks Per Game 3.7 0.3 Goals Per Game 0.8 0.8 Behinds Per Game 0.5 1.7 Tackles Per Game 1.8 2.0 Hitouts Per Game 1.3 1.2 Inside 50s Per Game 1.0 0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0.3 0.5 Frees For Per Game 0.8 0.8 Frees Against Per Game 0.5 4.7 Contested Possessions Per Game 6.0 7.5 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 5.3 7.5 Effective Disposals Per Game 8.7 61.5% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 79.1% 2.3 Clangers Per Game 1.2 0.8 Contested Marks Per Game 1.0 1.2 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.8 0.2 Clearances Per Game 0.7 2.2 Rebound 50s Per Game 0.3 4.5 One Percenters Per Game 1.0 0 Bounces Per Game 0 84.7 Time On Ground % Per Game 84.0 0 Centre Clearances Per Game 0.2 0.2 Stoppage Clearances Per Game 0.5 3.7 Score Involvements Per Game 3.7 144.5 Metres Gained Per Game 119.2 2.5 Turnovers Per Game 1.5 2.0 Intercepts Per Game 0.7 0.8 Tackles Inside 50 Per Game 0.7 $457,000 AFL Fantasy Price $383,000 51.8 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 51.8 $360,200 Supercoach Price $330,600 56.2 Supercoach Score Per Game 64.8

Seriously? Here are the 2018 draft picks in the 30's As none of them have played a game yet I would argue that he is equal to the best in that group. Please engage brain before typing you may look less of a goose. 30 Adelaide Will Hamill Adelaide 0 2 31 West Coast Luke Foley West Coast 0 2 32 Fremantle Luke Valente Fremantle 0 2 33 Melbourne James Jordan Melbourne 0 2 34 GWS Kieren Briggs A GWS 0 2 35 West Coast Bailey Williams West Coast 0 2 36 Brisbane Thomas Berry Brisbane 0 2 37 Western Bulldogs Laitham Vandermeer Western Bulldogs 0 2 38 Essendon Irving Mosquito A Essendon 0 2 39 West Coast Jarrod Cameron A West Coast 0

If he is the answer the question is wrong. Compare him to Preuss who is 6 years younger, Levi Casboult Name Braydon Preuss Carlton Blues Team Melbourne Demons Forward Position Ruck 107 Career Games 10 Dandenong Stingrays Origin Surfers Paradise March 15, 1990 Date of Birth June 16, 1995 29yr 1mth Age 23yr 10mth 201cm Height 206cm 103kg Weight 109kg 2012 National Draft Last Drafted In 2014 Rookie Draft Round 5, Pick #89 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #15 Carlton Blues Last Drafted By North Melbourne Kangaroos 2019 Stats for Season 2019 3 Games 2 8.0 Kicks Per Game 10.0 2.0 Handballs Per Game 3.0 10.0 Disposals Per Game 13.0 5.0 Marks Per Game 2.0 1.0 Goals Per Game 2.0 0.3 Behinds Per Game 0 0.3 Tackles Per Game 1.0 7.7 Hitouts Per Game 14.5 2.7 Inside 50s Per Game 3.0 0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0 0.7 Frees For Per Game 1.0 0.3 Frees Against Per Game 0.5 5.3 Contested Possessions Per Game 9.0 4.3 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 3.5 6.7 Effective Disposals Per Game 8.0 67% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 61.5% 1.3 Clangers Per Game 2.5 2.3 Contested Marks Per Game 1.0 1.7 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 1.0 0.7 Clearances Per Game 3.0

2017 - 1st pick 29 Spargo 2nd pick 31 Fritch 2018 - 1st pick 27 Tom Sparrow 2nd pick 33 James Jordan - Too early to say stuff ups. Plenty of lemons went before Fritch and not many stars after him. I think Sparrow will be OK Spargo & Fritch have played 50 games between them, even Freo who picked Brayshaw & Cerra have less games from their first 2 picks (picks 2 & 5) Yes I would rather have Brayshaw & Cerra but we didn't have pick 2 & 5

If you are going to quote someone use their word not yours. I did not say typical bully. If you chose to read posts you may find the answer therin and not need to ask someone to confirm what has been clearly written in a post only just above. You may read my posts and you may comment on my posts but do not put in things which I have not said. Furthermore as a very recent poster you may find others suspicious of your motives for being here and saying unusual things. I suggested that I thought you a troll or an idiot, that is unfair and I am sorry. But I do think you are trolling. If you are suggesting I am a bully I suggest you re read our conversation and perhaps you may understand my attitude. I don't think I will bother to reply to you again. Cheers

Yes. But you did say "A good hard footballer who gets his chance and will give his all. You cannot ask for more." I'd like skill as well.

Harold Holt is Vladimir Putin. No one has ever seen them both in the same room!

Skill?

Whereas the Under 18's were loaded with no players with AFL experience and they walked all over us.

Hardly been sighted since, except that time with Elvis at Ayers rock.

Jacquie will be surprised.

I'll let you know - sometime.

I was right.

Seriously? I suspect a troll, or an idiot.

I agree Salem is probably our best & most consistent performer this season. I do not think he is any better than last year, he has less competition.

You said "More seriously though regardless of team performance how is it possible that some players do not show considerable improvement from one season to the next....." I said "I don't think we have any players that have improved over last season." If you don't understand what I have said I can't help you.

I understand the need for a blood letting, but if you watched Casey lose on the weekend ( to kids) you would realise there are not many kicking the door down to play. Sadly the better players were the whipping boys who many have said are not AFL standard.

Kids I don't think we have any players that have improved over last season.

By recently do you mean since 1964 or in that last 15 minutes? Last year there were a few improvers, if you mean this year, the whole side has gone backwards.

When a picture paints a thousand words

A positive spin. We have lost to 4 of the top 7 sides. Form this year seems to be very different to last year. Compare the home & away end of season ladder to now. Richmond down 10 positions WCE down 6 Collingwood down 1 Hawthorn down 9 Melbourne down 12 Sydney down 11 GWS up 1 Geelong up 7 This is most unusual, and we are the worst but we are not alone. I don't know the answer but I am becoming clearer on what the question is. There are 9 teams on 3 wins, we are only 2 wins and % off being 3rd on the ladder! How's that for 1/2 full?