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Everytime I look it has more faces. Starting to remind me of Sgt Peppers. Did I see Elvis?

I might watch it, but I also look at car crashes and natural disasters, maybe that's just me, I do hope none of our players play.

24 ish

What is like Wednesday? Is it between Shrove Tuesday & Maundy Thursday?

They are South Australians, what do you expect?

Trade him to the Crows for two 1st round picks, they place a high value on defenders.

Hang on I think I can work this out. Molly fell off a ladder, Superman could not handle Cryptonite, Molly loves StKilda Superman loves Lois Lane - got it, 96

I'm sorry Watson but if you gave me 2 stats for any game I could tell you the result with 100% accuracy. The score for each team. And surely if the stats are good they should be able to predict injuries, modified game plans and improvements in players. Extrapolating what you are saying it is only a matter of enough data. Lies, damn lies and statistics!

OK so why are they so bad at predictions?

So for each algorithm they (people) select the hyperparameter values with the best cross validated score. And if that is not ideal they (people) fine tune for the next test. If data doesn't lie then surely interpretation can. Edit:- Who enters the data? Was it an effective kick/handpass or not? Tap to advantage or not, who decides?

Seriously! What is worth more a goal or a mark a hit out or a hand pass? Someone at CD has made that decision, they have weighted all manner of stats based on assumptions. If it was based on pure data you may see something resembling the ladder, hey that's a good idea. Rate teams based on results.

Sorry, this is an average games ladder, it does show age but it is not in order.

Why, did you wake up Biff?

The problem with weighting is it can be opinion. Are handballs worth more than effective hitouts? Is an effective 50 metre kick across ground worth more than a 20 metre kick into the forward line? Is a mark in the defensive 50 in junk time worth as much as a mark on the wing? And so it goes.

Ozzie Osbourne or Frank Zappa?

Why? If you don't like it don't read it and don't post in it. Simple.

Sparrow = Fart

Yes

Thanks Saty.

It may have been your comparison to suit your argument. At the end of 2010 season Riewoldt had played 68 games and was 21 yo. Jesse started this season as a 23 yo. You are now twisting this to make a case. You made claims about 40-50 goal forward (which he is capable of but he is unreliable), now it is possessions. The fact is even when comparing him to a player 2 years his junior he is not as reliable as a forward nor does he kick as many goals. Sam Weideman is a 21 yo forward. I can compare him to midfielder if you like but that is not what you were talking about, a 40-50 goal a year forward. As an aside to a derailment , we could have picked Riewoldt instead of Frawley. Bay I think we can agree that we have traded a very good player, it will be a loss. PS: I met Ray Biffen when I was a kid, nice guy.

No he is not! At the same age Riewoldt averaged 2.8 goals per game Hogan 2.4 Hogan at 22yo kicked 20 goals from 10games - Riewoldt at 22 yo kicked 78 from 22 games Hogan at 23 this year kicked 47 goals from 20 games - Riewoldt at 23 in 2011 22 games 62 goals Riewoldt tends to not miss matches Hogan has missed 41 Do I need to go on? In the last 2 years Hogan has kicked 67 goals at the same age Riewoldt kicked 140 over 2 years. Don't make stuff up. Edit: Data courtesy of Footywire - also fixed a typo on stats-had goals & games reversed https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=9&playerStatus2=A&tid2=15&type=T&pid1=3916&pid2=1731&fid1=O&fid2=O

I question that he is worth 40-50 goals per year when his career average is 31. He is capable of 70 in my opinion, but I don't think he will ever make it. Does that mean that I under rate him, I don't know. Some of our best wins over the last few years have been without Hogan, so time to move on, he wanted to go home, I want us to win a flag and I truly believe we will be better without Hogan. Sorry for the off topic rantings. I think Corey Wagner could be a good pick up, he was very good at Casey and should help to provide more depth to our list.

You are not reading what I said and are implying things that I didn't say. My point was that he has been unable for many reasons to play a full season. I place no blame on him for that, it is merely a statement of fact. Fact: Hogan has missed 41 games out of a possible 112 Hogan is a very talented player that for many reasons has missed many games. We are in the window for a premiership and I really think we can be better served with a forward line including talls T Mac -Weid- Preuss/Gawn than with Hogan & no Preuss/Gawn. I do not think that Preuss/Gawn will kick as many goals as Hogan but I think the 2 ruckman structure will help the overall team result. That is my opinion. To put it simply I think we will be a more successful side without Hogan than we were with him, only time will tell. Fact: Hogan kicked 152 goals over 5 seasons averaging 31 per season. Fact: Hogan missed 41 games. Opinion: Hogan is a very good player when available.

When did we hold him back? Can he play a full season? Edit: We gave him 5 full seasons, he wasn't up to it. NB: Jeff Garlett 2017 averages 2.0 goals per game or 1.8 for his career. If he can get back there is your 40-50 goals.

You never let up on this Hogan business so neither will I. Hogan has never kicked 50 goals in a season, he averages 38 goals per completed season. Drafted 2012, 2013 - not eligible 2014 - No games - injured 2015 - 20 games as a 20 year old - 44 goals 2016 - 21 games 41 goals 2017 - 10 games 20 goals 2018 - 20 games 47 goals Hogan has kicked 152 goals, played 71 games. 5 years on list for 71 games In the time he has been available to play we have played 112 games Hogan has missed 41 games injured/illness/suspension averaging under 31 goals per season since available. Averages 2.1 goals per game played. On those figures he will never kick 50 goals in season. Yes he is a good player, a superstar he is not. Tom MacDonald this year averaged 2.6 goals per game which is better than Hogan has ever done. Edit:- Coleman medalist 2018 Jack Riewoldt 2.9 goal per game. Since 2014 Riewoldt has played in 115 games missing none. Or in the same time that Hogan has kicked 152 goals Riewoldt has kicked 287. Hogan is no superstar.