3 minutes ago, mo64 said:

His track record in the past. For the past 3 years we've given away 2nd and 3rd round picks for no reason. The Tholstrup deal was a Lamb special.

And you can bank on him giving GCS latter picks on the Trac deal.

JT would be the ones asking Lamb to trade picks so we can move up the draft

If you don’t like the Kolt pick up, you need to talk to Taylor not Lamb about that

We had a strategic plan to bring top end talent in and that meant trading out of the second and third rounds

I don’t necessarily support that strategy but it’s one that was decided and signed off on by a lot more people than Lamb

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by Very Jaded

1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

But if we send 24 back, then 7 and 8 aren’t our haul for Trac, they’re our haul for Trac and McVee.

If we include 24, I'd suspect we get an F2 back from the Suns, for whatever that's worth

1 minute ago, Very Jaded said:

They don’t need Curnow as much as they need Trac

I hope the club comes out and tells the AFL community Trac is only for sale if a deal for him is suitable for all parties. This forces the hand of the Suns and if not, we welcome Trac back into the fold. Tell Trac and AFL community the Suns didnt want him enough to agree to a fair deal.

Worst case scenario, Trac plays for us in 2026.

The reality is we had the chance to get Flanders and failed. He was the only worth while player they would let go.

I don't understand why everyone think Humphries is the best thing since sliced bread either. Is it just because he didn't say no like all our other targets?

6 minutes ago, Very Jaded said:

JT would be the ones asking Lamb to trade picks so we can move up the draft

If you don’t like the Kolt pick up, you need to talk to Taylor not Lamb about that

We had a strategic plan to bring top end talent in and that meant trading out of the second and third rounds

I don’t necessarily support that strategy but it’s one that was decided and signed off on by a lot more people than Lamb

Exactly. Can’t believe people seriously believe Lamb just trades all these second and third rounder without consulting Taylor. It would be a joint strategy, and yet you see people on this site say ‘Lamb hasn’t given Jason Taylor a chance with second and third round picks’, it’s probably Jason’s idea ! 😂

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

I love it. we give up a contracted star level player, the Suns get everything they want including us gift wrapping their academy picks for them and we get a couple of picks and told to shut up and be happy.

Lets see how serious a footy club we are. If we're serious one of Bailey Humphrey or Christian Petracca is a demon in 2026.

Im sure it has been said but I get GCS holding out. They have a huge amount of contracted talent. You let one go and it sets a precedent. We on the other hand are dictated to by players and their managers.

1 minute ago, Very Jaded said:

JT would be the ones asking Lamb to trade picks so we can move up the draft

If you don’t like the Kolt pick up, you need to talk to Taylor not Lamb about that

We had a strategic plan to bring top end talent in and that meant trading out of the second and third rounds

I don’t necessarily support that strategy but it’s one that was decided and signed off on by a lot more people than Lamb

I realise that Lamb doesn't act alone, but when our recruiting from other clubs has been so diabolical recently, somebody needs to be held accountable.

JT and his team scout outside the AFL system. Lamb would be dealing with player managers to suss out the availability of players at other clubs.

Dunstan, Shache, Fullarton, Billings, Grundy, Hunter, McAdam aren't being scouted by JT. And to make things worse, Bedford and Jordon left because their opportunities for game time were hindered.

1 minute ago, GS_1905 said:

Im sure it has been said but I get GCS holding out. They have a huge amount of contracted talent. You let one go and it sets a precedent. We on the other hand are dictated to by players and their managers.

I definitely get it, but equally it's not our problem. the fact the Suns look like getting this deal exactly how they want it, getting all their academy players and Petracca and only giving up a couple of picks they don't even care about is exactly what's wrong with the MFC.

We seem more interested in finding a deal that looks good on paper than a deal that is good for the MFC.

I acknowledge that they're trying with BH and that's great, but either get that over the line or have a serious think about what to do with Trac. rolling over feels like the lesser of two evils but i am not convinced it is big picture.

Lamb (and his team) stated the club did not want picks as part of a trade for Trac, they wanted players or a mix of both.

Time will tell if the club folds and the messaging is inconsistent.

1 minute ago, mo64 said:

I realise that Lamb doesn't act alone, but when our recruiting from other clubs has been so diabolical recently, somebody needs to be held accountable.

JT and his team scout outside the AFL system. Lamb would be dealing with player managers to suss out the availability of players at other clubs.

Dunstan, Shache, Fullarton, Billings, Grundy, Hunter, McAdam aren't being scouted by JT. And to make things worse, Bedford and Jordon left because their opportunities for game time were hindered.

Well in the last 2 years alone Lamb has managed to get both Houston and Humphrey on the hook

If both those trades fall thru you can 1000% blame Petracca and not Lamb

And had we got Houston everyone would be melting down what a waste of picks he was because he’s not that good

Edit: Grundy was good get. It has nothing to do with Lamb that it didn’t work out. He gets told to get players. He got Grundy for peanuts and Collingwood are still paying him

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by Very Jaded

Just now, Nietaphart said:

Lamb (and his team) stated the club did not want picks as part of a trade for Trac, they wanted players or a mix of both.

Time will tell if the club folds and the messaging is inconsistent.

Where?

1 minute ago, Ted Lasso said:

I definitely get it, but equally it's not our problem. the fact the Suns look like getting this deal exactly how they want it, getting all their academy players and Petracca and only giving up a couple of picks they don't even care about is exactly what's wrong with the MFC.

We seem more interested in finding a deal that looks good on paper than a deal that is good for the MFC.

I acknowledge that they're trying with BH and that's great, but either get that over the line or have a serious think about what to do with Trac. rolling over feels like the lesser of two evils but i am not convinced it is big picture.

The other way to look at it : we have established a relationship with Bailey. Let him mature some more while GCS is playing finals. He’ll still want to come home when his contract is up in 2-3 years time. Hopefully by then we’d have turned the corner and we pick him up out of contract for a F2.

Just now, Very Jaded said:

Well in the last 2 years alone Lamb has managed to get both Houston and Humphrey on the hook

If both those trades fall thru you can 1000% blame Petracca and not Lamb

And had we got Houston everyone would be melting down what a waste of picks he was because he’s not that good

I’m not fussed about losing Houston, in fact I think we came out on top. Could it be the same in this case?

# I want Humphrey

Just now, Nietaphart said:

I’m not fussed about losing Houston, in fact I think we came out on top. Could it be the same in this case?

# I want Humphrey

Nothing alike because we are losing Trac and Humphrey is the best possible outcome

Houston was a nice to have in a side sliding down and giving up picks in a hot draft was a risky choice

Getting Humphrey has zero risk attached when the return is a disgruntled 30 year old diva who will leave regardless

Remember that Geelong game in 2021 and Trac was crying about how much he loved this club!

Wtf happened since then.

It's like once Maynard did what he did and we lost Gus everything went down hill .

Just now, Melonmonster said:

Remember that Geelong game in 2021 and Trac was crying about how much he loved this club!

Wtf happened since then.

It's like once Maynard did what he did and we lost Gus everything went down hill .

Winning then

Losing now

56 minutes ago, Very Jaded said:

I don’t think picks have been discussed from our end. It’s what GC is proposing and what the media is parroting.

If Humphrey was not an option, in that he refused to be involved in the trade, it would be a completely different story and we would have done a deal for picks

However he is keen and willing, so we can’t cave

But as you say everyone in the industry knows the club can’t keep Trac. That relationship is untenable.

I don't think Trac staying is untenable, as we have an entirely new Footy Department, CEO and President, however there is a risk that if he stays that he won't be 100% invested in our direction which will negatively impact our young core of players, and still wants a trade at the end of 2026 only to be worth less in any trade and cost us $1 million in TPP for 2026. Our list management team will have a good handle on this.

6 minutes ago, adonski said:

Where?

I just went back and had a look and Lamb stated the deal had to satisfy the club when talking about a trade with Trac and the Suns. He didn’t say it had to be a player, but the discussion with Twomey was centred around Humphrey and the meeting at the Tan .

I made an assumption, but it’s fair to say Humphrey was plan A.

Edited 3 hours ago3 hr by Nietaphart

decision time for the club

i would call the deal off and see what Suns do. Test them

If we can hold onto 24 and 28 and get 7 and 8! It’s a great result for an ageing 30yo that can’t hit targets!

18 minutes ago, MurDoc516 said:

The reality is we had the chance to get Flanders and failed. He was the only worth while player they would let go.

I don't understand why everyone think Humphries is the best thing since sliced bread either. Is it just because he didn't say no like all our other targets?

Probably because he’s one of the best young players in the competition. Flanders has Adam Cerra type potential. Humphrey has Trac level potential.

There’s a reason just about every Victorian club dropped everything to try to accumulate enough draft ammo to throw at the Suns to get him when it became clear he wanted out.

1 hour ago, Ted Lasso said:

I love it. we give up a contracted star level player, the Suns get everything they want including us gift wrapping their academy picks for them and we get a couple of picks and told to shut up and be happy.

Lets see how serious a footy club we are. If we're serious one of Bailey Humphrey or Christian Petracca is a demon in 2026.

Exactly, sorry but we ain’t helping you with your academy picks. Come see us when you’re serious.

14 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

I definitely get it, but equally it's not our problem. the fact the Suns look like getting this deal exactly how they want it, getting all their academy players and Petracca and only giving up a couple of picks they don't even care about is exactly what's wrong with the MFC.

We seem more interested in finding a deal that looks good on paper than a deal that is good for the MFC.

I acknowledge that they're trying with BH and that's great, but either get that over the line or have a serious think about what to do with Trac. rolling over feels like the lesser of two evils but i am not convinced it is big picture.

The fact (if it is a fact) that Sun's don't care about those picks is not a fault of the MFC, nor is them having an academy gold mine our fault, so I don't see how the situation is 'exactly what's wrong with the MFC'.

I doubt we are just interested in what looks good on paper. I think we are simply in a difficult situation if we know keeping Petracca will not be good for the club. If we aren't too concerned about that, the Sun's will just have to win a cup with what they already have. I can't personally form a view because that is the critical question which we can only guess at.

2 minutes ago, BDA said:

decision time for the club

i would call the deal off and see what Suns do. Test them

Funnily enough, one of Tom Morris' trade period predictions is that we'd take Trac off the table (before then ultimately trading him)

20 minutes ago, Nietaphart said:

Lamb (and his team) stated the club did not want picks as part of a trade for Trac, they wanted players or a mix of both.

Time will tell if the club folds and the messaging is inconsistent.

That’s the exact point. You can’t say we WANT this, and cave in at a lesser deal. Trac has a 4 year contract to run. Sure he has explored his options but a deal HAS to suit MFC! This is beyond just this trade. It’s about setting the standard and not buckling.