58 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

You when we signed Clarry

Also you “WHY DID WE SIGN HIM FOR 7 years”

You love to pretend like you know everything so let’s go with your version of events at whatever point in time it suits you

100% i was wrapt like any other Melbourne supporter without the knowledge that he was leading this footy club to a merry dance with his [censored] off field behaviour.

I dont actually don't claim to know anything unless i go off facts which i have done.

What I dont do is guesswork like you have made out with the whole Petracca being toxic (clearly made that up) and our board now offering contracts to players to which you still haven't provided any evidence or confirmation of things actually happening.. but sure, you just keep on guessing away.

56 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

In fairness to us he did legitimately meet with David Teague and patty Cripps at the time, probably to leverage his 7 year deal but the interest was there.

I get frustrated with Kane Cornes knocking us for this deal. Clarry was flying at the time. We were winning, he was as consistently in the Brownlow mix, on track to be one of the greatest demons ever and 17 clubs would have signed him to the exact same deal given the chance.

It isn’t an ideal situation now, but lots of players have really significant off fiend challenges and no one cares if they’re playing well.

The reality of AFL footy is the AFLPA have skewed the rules so far in favour of players not clubs that all clubs, especially smaller clubs like Melbourne have to offer big money long term deals to sign anyone. Like Clarry isn’t going to knock back 8 years at Geelong and sign 3 years at Melbourne.

Met with Teague at the end of 2020 season in which he was still contracted under and at the time of probably not knowing where success was coming.

He signed his monster deal in mid 2022 when he was already contracted for another 18 months and off the back of a premiership and probably 10 game winning streak. There is absolutely no way he was EVER going to entertain any offers by then.

Edited 10 hours ago10 hr by dazzledavey36

47 minutes ago, BoBo said:

What’s changed (with May) between being asked to find another club and now we’re saying we expect him to stay?

May is contracted for 2026.

We have simply told him that his opportunities will be limited so IF he wants to extend his career at another club we will help him get there.

Its not that hard and the media saying he is being pushed out is creative licence

If no one wants him he stays a Dee

8 hours ago, deanox said:

I thought Lamb just straight batted most things in a reasonable way, and I thought he answered the questions about Clarry's role and off-field well.

But the questions overall were poor. Too much focus on things they all knew Lamb couldn't answer - will you pay salary, what trade would you accept - and not real question ls like:

• What is the role King would require Oliver to play? Did Oliver say he was or wasn't prepared to play that role?

• You've talked about how Trac is a modern day great, but Oliver has 4 X Bluey and 2 X AFLCA MVP and you don't talk about him in the same way, why?

• You mentioned that to trade Trac the offer needs to be head turning, but you aren't using the same language Oliver. Is that because you see him as surplus to your current needs?

• Are WCE in the conversation for McVee? Would you be prepared to send him to the PSD if Fremantle didn't offer a reasonable trade? Would you be prepared to re-draft McVee ahead of Freo in that situation?

Personally, I am a bit disappointed that there has been a clear decision to pump up Trac as a great but effectively down play Oliver. There is no reason the club couldn't say similar things "Clayton is a great player and if he would prefer to seek a trade because he doesn't like the role outlined for him, we expect to see a deal that provides value to us versus the value he'd provide in role we think he'll play on King's game plan moving forward.".

My take is that they want to move on one of Trac or Clarrie, probably prefer to retain Trac, would trade both at the right (high) price, realize Clarrie has a lot less trade value, and believe we can maximise our trade position by having both in the market at the same time - for each we have a back up option and we would automatically rise our price for Trac if we secured a trade for Clarrie and vice versa giving the receiving club an incentive to deal first.

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

100% i was wrapt like any other Melbourne supporter without the knowledge that he was leading this footy club to a merry dance with his [censored] off field behaviour.

My recollection is that the off-field behaviour only spiralled in 2023 with his first long-term injury. There was also talk that he was struggling with a relationship breakup, and that plus the injury pushed him into a not great place.

6 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

100% i was wrapt like any other Melbourne supporter without the knowledge that he was leading this footy club to a merry dance with his [censored] off field behaviour.

I dont actually don't claim to know anything unless i go off facts which i have done.

What I dont do is guesswork like you have made out with the whole Petracca being toxic (clearly made that up) and our board now offering contracts to players to which you still haven't provided any evidence or confirmation of things actually happening.. but sure, you just keep on guessing away.

Met with Teague at the end of 2020 season in which he was still contracted under and at the time of probably not knowing where success was coming.

He signed his monster deal in mid 2022 when he was already contracted for another 18 months and off the back of a premiership and probably 10 game winning streak. There is absolutely no way he was EVER going to entertain any offers by then.

I agree he was never going anywhere. I still laugh about Sam McClure smug face reporting the meeting and not realise Carlton were being used for contract negotiations leverage haha

But what I’ll stand by strongly is 17/17 other clubs would have signed Clayton Oliver at the same time we did to the same or a bigger deal given the opportunity. Yes the contract looks bad but everyone understood back then.

I don’t like huge contracts anyways, I think anything beyond 5 years is irresponsible from a club perspective but the way the market works now they have no real choice

1 minute ago, Ted Lasso said:

I agree he was never going anywhere. I still laugh about Sam McClure smug face reporting the meeting and not realise Carlton were being used for contract negotiations leverage haha

But what I’ll stand by strongly is 17/17 other clubs would have signed Clayton Oliver at the same time we did to the same or a bigger deal given the opportunity. Yes the contract looks bad but everyone understood back then.

I don’t like huge contracts anyways, I think anything beyond 5 years is irresponsible from a club perspective but the way the market works now they have no real choice

Agree about McClure and we have seen so many times how blatantly wrong he is over the journey.

I honestly dont mind the bigger contracts, I suppose in a way it gives that club leverage in case they do request a trade eg Carlton with Curnow, Melbourne with Petracca... I think with TPP going up again these longer contracts will just end up being the norm in think. Wouldn't be surprised if we start to see 9 years deals somewhere along the way.

I do agree with you as well i that I think 5 years is a good enough starting point with the trigger for a six.

4 hours ago, bing181 said:

My recollection is that the off-field behaviour only spiralled in 2023 with his first long-term injury. There was also talk that he was struggling with a relationship breakup, and that plus the injury pushed him into a not great place.

I know he broke up with his partner Soph in early 2022 but going off what Goodwin and Pert said, his off field behaviour was still an issue when he signed his long term deal.

7 hours ago, BoBo said:

What’s changed (with May) between being asked to find another club and now we’re saying we expect him to stay?

Expected suitors not coming forward.

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Expected suitors not coming forward.

Which only goes to confirm the club's position in wanting him gone. How the mighty have fallen. (sadly)

6 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Expected suitors not coming forward.

Doesn't help if you can't pass a physical .

I still think north Melbourne will come late for Steven may.

47 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Which only goes to confirm the club's position in wanting him gone. How the mighty have fallen. (sadly)

I think Roos will come late, ask us to pay a bit and we get a nothing pick.

12 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

You're missing my point once again. I have zero issues with long term contracts.

But why give a dude thats completely off the rails a 7 year contract 🤣 literally setting him up to fail not succeed.

Honestly, give him a 3 year deal if you have too with some behavioural clauses included.

Petracca deserved his because not only did he live up to the expectations and perform but he has been an absolute professional all the way to the end as we speak. I hate the thought of losing him but have accepted that its probably best for both parties.

I wonder whether the club thought at the time that giving Oliver a 7-year contract would help him cope with his off-field issues by removing the stress which comes with a player having to keep thinking about his future when on a shorter contract?

10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I dont actually don't claim to know anything unless i go off facts which i have done.

What I dont do is guesswork like you

....

There is absolutely no way he was EVER going to entertain any offers by then.

Guesswork

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Lamb is most definitely in the hot seat this trade period. His position at the club will be untenable if he doesn't make the most of the Petracca trade.

12 hours ago, old55 said:

Lamb has traded peanuts for peanuts recently and in the meantime we've gone to the draft with multiple first round picks. Yeah his speculative trades amounted to nothing, but cost nothing.

Those picks cost Jackson, a bunch of second rounders and our first rounder this draft.

1 minute ago, Fat Tony said:

Those picks cost Jackson, a bunch of second rounders and our first rounder this draft.

Que?

6 minutes ago, old55 said:

Guesswork

Nah fact, his grandma told me.

Edited 14 minutes ago14 min by dazzledavey36

5 minutes ago, Redjacket said:

Lamb is most definitely in the hot seat this trade period. His position at the club will be untenable if he doesn't make the most of the Petracca trade.

What's a realistic trade for Petracca in your opinion?

Lets keep Humphrey out of the picture for now.

11 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

You when we signed Clarry

Also you “WHY DID WE SIGN HIM FOR 7 years”

You love to pretend like you know everything so let’s go with your version of events at whatever point in time it suits you

King of the flip flops. And Clarry was the best player in the competition at the time.

Why don't we rename this thread The Tim Lamb is s h i t thread for all the Eeyores?