I can't take this that seriously anyway but someone calculated which team is the hardest to Barrack for. I would have loved to see the input. Anyway the worst were St Kilda and Freo. With our recent ish flag we're near the bottom.

https://www.mitchellandness.com.au/pages/ebi?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22988440224&gbraid=0AAAAACWx6pWj_wjW8eg5dwngPZG8N5W2E&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuKnGBhD5ARIsAD19RsY-r4KAyJ6y8IrQbjtaqXqRuiN_6MqoUcmJHE_NQwbnLBmfZK16sIUaAjerEALw_wcB

I reckon the bummers.

Obviously it would be Essendon except they have their memories erased at the end of each season.

"Ladies and gentlemen, what you just saw was a freak anomaly caused by aliens using the MCG lights to guide their spacecraft. Essendon were great. Essendon always has been great. Essendon will be great again next season. And Kevin Sheedy is definitely sane."

12 hours ago, Go Ds said:

I can't take this that seriously anyway but someone calculated which team is the hardest to Barrack for. I would have loved to see the input. Anyway the worst were St Kilda and Freo. With our recent ish flag we're near the bottom.

https://www.mitchellandness.com.au/pages/ebi?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22988440224&gbraid=0AAAAACWx6pWj_wjW8eg5dwngPZG8N5W2E&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuKnGBhD5ARIsAD19RsY-r4KAyJ6y8IrQbjtaqXqRuiN_6MqoUcmJHE_NQwbnLBmfZK16sIUaAjerEALw_wcB

Hey Go Ds, your link didn’t work, so folks probs can’t read the article. I’ve attached it below because it’s hilarious, it’s the most convoluted way to advertise a product 😁

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15 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

Hey Go Ds, your link didn’t work, so folks probs can’t read the article. I’ve attached it below because it’s hilarious, it’s the most convoluted way to advertise a product 😁

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Thank you. You are 100 % correct. It came up on Facebook and the article had Dave Hughes discussing football heartbreak on Perth radio. It would have been nice if I could've just found the ladder and the calculations for it to post on here. Oh well. (Honestly every third thread on here is about how unlucky we are..😂)

4 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

I reckon the bummers.

No, buck and @Little Goffy . As I said it was Saints, Freo and then maybe Essendon. Ghostwriter found a new link. There is a ladder included

Obviously the answer is St Kilda, but if the trauma was weighted for age there's a big difference between a 50 year old Essendon fan with memories to hold on to and a 20 year old Essendon fan who has bugger all.

14 hours ago, Go Ds said:

I can't take this that seriously anyway but someone calculated which team is the hardest to Barrack for. I would have loved to see the input. Anyway the worst were St Kilda and Freo. With our recent ish flag we're near the bottom.

https://www.mitchellandness.com.au/pages/ebi?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22988440224&gbraid=0AAAAACWx6pWj_wjW8eg5dwngPZG8N5W2E&gclid=Cj0KCQjwuKnGBhD5ARIsAD19RsY-r4KAyJ6y8IrQbjtaqXqRuiN_6MqoUcmJHE_NQwbnLBmfZK16sIUaAjerEALw_wcB

Weird that West Coast is considered to have more emotional baggage than Western Bulldogs, despite having won a flag more recently, and having a vastly more successful history. Must be the recency aspect, I guess.

32 minutes ago, Supermercado said:

Obviously the answer is St Kilda, but if the trauma was weighted for age there's a big difference between a 50 year old Essendon fan with memories to hold on to and a 20 year old Essendon fan who has bugger all.

Just imagine if you met a psychic or a supposed time traveller from 2025 , say, on Grand Final eve 2001, hours before Essendon play Brisbane. You'd give them a weird look when they say Essendon had barely won an elimination final 24 years later and an even stronger one after adding Carlton are in the same boat. Almost all of us have lived the weird contrast of the decades before and after 2000 for these now-losers.

It is a well established psychological fact that happiness recalibrates to where you are. Perceived or even anticipated movement from your current condition, for better or worse, will drive happiness more than your actual current condition.

For example, many Demons found 2022-2023 excruciating because it felt like not only a disappointment but had the anticipation of ground giving way under us.

The emotional baggage of so many disappointments made it all the harder to maintain a unified club. All you have to do is think back to the messiah complex we had as a club - only some great talisman could get us in line and we craved it everywhere and resented all who failed to deliver.

MFCSS is real, but just by being able to name it we have made great therapeutic steps. Our new coach doesn't have to be Paul Roos come to save us, he just has to be capable and committed. Harvey Langford might yet be the best player of his generation, but he doesn't 'have to' be. We're able to imagine ourselves functioning even if he is just very good. Max Gawn being the greatest ruck of all time is a joy to savour, not a necessity to cling to.

We're a different fan base now. Same people, but changed. We're a different club.

Most of all we're a lot less fatalistic. We've restored something of an internal locus of control.

Edited yesterday at 05:271 day by Little Goffy

Very funny and not a bad effort. St Kilda and Fremantle absolutely the correct champion and runner up.

Seems like they've given a lot of weight to the Colliwobbles that nobody under 70 was alive to witness in full.

EBI - sounds like a rating system for airlines to charge extra. Your EBI = heavy (after a big interstate loss), $50 please.

2 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

It is a well established psychological fact that happiness recalibrates to where you are. Perceived or even anticipated movement from your current condition, for better or worse, will drive happiness more than your actual current condition.

For example, many Demons found 2022-2023 excruciating because it felt like not only a disappointment but had the anticipation of ground giving way under us.

The emotional baggage of so many disappointments made it all the harder to maintain a unified club. All you have to do is think back to the messiah complex we had as a club - only some great talisman could get us in line and we craved it everywhere and resented all who failed to deliver.

MFCSS is real, but just by being able to name it we have made great therapeutic steps. Our new coach doesn't have to be Paul Roos come to save us, he just has to be capable and committed. Harvey Langford might yet be the best player of his generation, but he doesn't 'have to' be. We're able to imagine ourselves functioning even if he is just very good. Max Gawn being the greatest ruck of all time is a joy to savour, not a necessity to cling to.

We're a different fan base now. Same people, but changed. We're a different club.

Most of all we're a lot less fatalistic. We've restored something of an internal locus of control.

It's certainly perspective. Richmond or WCE would have loved the season we just suffered. Of course the likes of Brisbane and Geelong would have hated it.

Can probably increase ours based on not being able to go or even go to the pub. imho

18 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

It is a well established psychological fact that happiness recalibrates to where you are. Perceived or even anticipated movement from your current condition, for better or worse, will drive happiness more than your actual current condition.

For example, many Demons found 2022-2023 excruciating because it felt like not only a disappointment but had the anticipation of ground giving way under us.

The emotional baggage of so many disappointments made it all the harder to maintain a unified club. All you have to do is think back to the messiah complex we had as a club - only some great talisman could get us in line and we craved it everywhere and resented all who failed to deliver.

MFCSS is real, but just by being able to name it we have made great therapeutic steps. Our new coach doesn't have to be Paul Roos come to save us, he just has to be capable and committed. Harvey Langford might yet be the best player of his generation, but he doesn't 'have to' be. We're able to imagine ourselves functioning even if he is just very good. Max Gawn being the greatest ruck of all time is a joy to savour, not a necessity to cling to.

We're a different fan base now. Same people, but changed. We're a different club.

Most of all we're a lot less fatalistic. We've restored something of an internal locus of control.

Possibly the greatest ever Demonland post.

I got some emotional baggage that I'd like to add to this index.

It’s easily missed but there’s actually a formula applied…

I still can’t work it out though 😅

Also, I don’t see how two teams who have only existed for 13-14 years can even be on this ladder, let alone not have the lowest EBI

This will sound strange but i reckon the Cats. every year they give legitimate hope they can win it all and like 9/10 of those they fall short by a kick in a prelim.

I think in some ways being garbage and finishing last is mcuh easier emotionally than thinking you're the team to beat and losing

2 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

This will sound strange but i reckon the Cats. every year they give legitimate hope they can win it all and like 9/10 of those they fall short by a kick in a prelim.

I think in some ways being garbage and finishing last is mcuh easier emotionally than thinking you're the team to beat and losing

Haven't met many Cats supporters?

Just now, KozzyCan said:

Haven't met many Cats supporters?

Haven't met many smart enough or with the level of self awareness required to describe their emotional experience

my theory unfortunately remains that, a theory

Just now, Ted Lasso said:

Haven't met many smart enough or with the level of self awareness required to describe their emotional experience

my theory unfortunately remains that, a theory

In my experience they are some of the most relaxed and confident footy fans I've met. They rival Hawthorn supporters in that department.

Losing a prelim doesn't hurt so bad when you can be 90% sure you'll be thereabouts the following year.

Collingwood supporters would be closer to the description you provided because of how many Grand Finals they've lost over the decades.

2 hours ago, Ghostwriter said:

It’s easily missed but there’s actually a formula appli

I still can’t work it out though 😅

Kudos someone bothered making this but as someone who had to go through decades of grief to finally see our team win a flag while from primary school onwards Carlton won 5 flags and Essendon 4 the ladder is laughable. And while watching Collingwood lose lots of GFs would have infuriated fans they have still won 3 flags(including one more recently), making GF s is still some feat and I'd guess they've finished above us probably 22 out of the last 25 years. Yet they have way more emotional baggage?!

2 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

I think in some ways being garbage and finishing last is mcuh easier emotionally than thinking you're the team to beat and losing

This is true. For mine, during the dark years, watching us cop thumping after thumping was god-awful, but I never felt let down because my expectations were super low. Currently, it’s emotionally harder because of the relatively recent success.

2 minutes ago, Ghostwriter said:

This is true. For mine, during the dark years, watching us cop thumping after thumping was god-awful, but I never felt let down because my expectations were super low. Currently, it’s emotionally harder because of the relatively recent success.

the 2023 Qualifying final got me so hard, we were in Much better form than the Pies, they didn't have Nick Daicos, we looked set to push really hard for a flag, not only did we lose, we lost the same way our losses usually look, Gus went down and it was just a mess.

That is so much worse than finishing 14th, even though most fans would take 2023 over 2025 any day of the week there is no doubt the emotional stakes are much higher