9 hours ago, No10 said:

Probably. It was great to watch.

Others speak better of Goodwin than me, but he was/is an incredibly dedicated student of the game and his style of play, contested pressure, was copied and successful until it was dismantled by speed and precision.

Goodwin's game style was not dissimilar to Hardwick's during their first two flags. He did a brilliant job in 2021 and a good job in 2022 and 2023, but he was not the trailblazer. Richmond set themselves back years by recruiting Taranto and Hopper to try and re-capture a type of game that was already being figured out. We almost cost ourselves in a similar way when we offered the world for Dan Houston.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by Pirlo

5 hours ago, 58er said:

I guarantees of that depending upon him updating his style from zero and his worrying factor of game plan/ day limitation on imagination with his list. Sub is also a shocker but the AFL will change that to help him overcome anything there.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to say.

10 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Could you name one please?

Demons diamond. Half backs pushing up into the contest. Arguably got us to a prelim ahead of schedule.

I don't claim to know anything useful here nor would I pretend to know better than any member of the coaching selection panel, but nowhere have I seen any run down of Buck's coaching record, so I checked and it's very mixed.

In 2012, having inherited the 2010 premiership side and 2011 losing grand finalist ,he took the Pies to 4th.

2013: 7th

2014: 11th

2015: 12th

2016: 12th

2017: 13th

2018: 2nd (denied a premiership by a poor umpiring decision and a miracle kick on the final siren)

2019: 4th

2020: 4th

2021: 17th (good times)

He was coaching one of the best resourced clubs in the comp. It's not a great record. An equal mix of mediocrity and success.

If he wins the job I hope he has learned plenty.

13 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

The old classic, do a 90 minute interview with days of prep leading in for a job you don’t even want trick. Ah Nathan Buckley and his classic pranks.

#boatrace 😘

12 hours ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

Buckley driving a BMW M4.

Not a Range Rover. He mustn't want the job.

Sounds like a Melbourne supporter to me.

someone a few pages ago mentioned daisy pearce.

im 100% for this - as the coach after this one when shes spent 5 or so years coaching the eagles women. i think shed be brilliant... but not just yet.

1 hour ago, pitmaster said:

I don't claim to know anything useful here nor would I pretend to know better than any member of the coaching selection panel, but nowhere have I seen any run down of Buck's coaching record, so I checked and it's very mixed.

In 2012, having inherited the 2010 premiership side and 2011 losing grand finalist ,he took the Pies to 4th.

2013: 7th

2014: 11th

2015: 12th

2016: 12th

2017: 13th

2018: 2nd (denied a premiership by a poor umpiring decision and a miracle kick on the final siren)

2019: 4th

2020: 4th

2021: 17th (good times)

He was coaching one of the best resourced clubs in the comp. It's not a great record. An equal mix of mediocrity and success.

If he wins the job I hope he has learned plenty.

And what of the lists he was coaching during those years? What of the rival competition and their lists and coaches at the time? You can't look at stats in a vacuum.

13 hours ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

Buckley driving a BMW M4.

Not a Range Rover. He mustn't want the job.

but were there skis on a roof rack?

10 minutes ago, No10 said:

Sure. He lined up the half forwards on the half back line and ran them through the centre bounce. That was exciting and brilliant, ironically ruined by 666.

He clearly had strengths, what did you think he did well if not technical systems?

Um, Norm Smith was doing this in the 50's and he said he got the idea from his brother Len Smith. Any other "innovations"?

2 hours ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Demons diamond. Half backs pushing up into the contest. Arguably got us to a prelim ahead of schedule.

Once again, we’re told, with great excitement, that “pushing up from half-back” is some revolutionary tactical leap. In reality, it’s been part of footy since at least the early 1950s. It's generally accepted that Len Smith introduced this mode of play as a consistent game style, which was further refined by his younger brother, Norm, throughout the late ’50s and ’60s.

Ron Barassi himself acknowledged that Len Smith was the forerunner of the modern running game. Norm famously ran Brian Dixon off half-back, while Barassi took the same principle to great effect at both Carlton and North. Malcolm Blight then pushed it even further at Geelong, playing Gary Ablett Sr. off half-back — partly to freak out the opposition and partly to free up the great man to create options further afield.

Listening to some modern commentators, though, you’d be forgiven for thinking these ideas were invented in the last five minutes — probably between ad breaks.

48 minutes ago, Adina88 said:

And what of the lists he was coaching during those years? What of the rival competition and their lists and coaches at the time? You can't look at stats in a vacuum.

I'm looking at finishing positions in a competition where there is only one prize. Ten years is a big enough sample to cancel out variables such as a bad run with injuries one year, or an extraordinarily good run with injuries, or close finishes.

It is relevant that he inherited from Malthouse a team that had contested the two previous Grand Finals and within three years had them in the bottom half of the ladder where they remained for four years. I acknowledge that only rotten luck and a freakish kick denied him a premiership but that form of 2018 was not sustained.

Whatever the variables his record compares poorly with coaching contemporaries such a Clarkson at Hawthorn, Hardwick at Richmond or Scott at Geelong. And whatever the variables it is also significant that he had charge of one of the strongest, best resourced clubs in the game and could not deliver what they wanted.

I am not saying I'd be burning a membership card if he is given the gig, but I would not be shattered if he opted for the Tassie Tigers either.

29 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Um, Norm Smith was doing this in the 50's and he said he got the idea from his brother Len Smith. Any other "innovations"?

Once again, we’re told, with great excitement, that “pushing up from half-back” is some revolutionary tactical leap. In reality, it’s been part of footy since at least the early 1950s. It's generally accepted that Len Smith introduced this mode of play as a consistent game style, which was further refined by his younger brother, Norm, throughout the late ’50s and ’60s.

Ron Barassi himself acknowledged that Len Smith was the forerunner of the modern running game. Norm famously ran Brian Dixon off half-back, while Barassi took the same principle to great effect at both Carlton and North. Malcolm Blight then pushed it even further at Geelong, playing Gary Ablett Sr. off half-back — partly to freak out the opposition and partly to free up the great man to create options further afield.

Listening to some modern commentators, though, you’d be forgiven for thinking these ideas were invented in the last five minutes — probably between ad breaks.

Spot on.

Len Smith was possibly the sharpest mind in the game at the time and forward thinking in this area. Norm and Len would always talk tactics and there's no doubt having Len as a brother helped Norm tremendously in becoming the coach he was.

If there is one footy biography people who consider themselves purists should read it's the Red Fox.

42 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

I'm looking at finishing positions in a competition where there is only one prize. Ten years is a big enough sample to cancel out variables such as a bad run with injuries one year, or an extraordinarily good run with injuries, or close finishes.

It is relevant that he inherited from Malthouse a team that had contested the two previous Grand Finals and within three years had them in the bottom half of the ladder where they remained for four years. I acknowledge that only rotten luck and a freakish kick denied him a premiership but that form of 2018 was not sustained.

Whatever the variables his record compares poorly with coaching contemporaries such a Clarkson at Hawthorn, Hardwick at Richmond or Scott at Geelong. And whatever the variables it is also significant that he had charge of one of the strongest, best resourced clubs in the game and could not deliver what they wanted.

I am not saying I'd be burning a membership card if he is given the gig, but I would not be shattered if he opted for the Tassie Tigers either.

I see it similarly. Surely assistants that have been at the likes of Geelong and Collingwood who have overseen a reinvention with a list that many said was "past it" could potentially be a better fit. I think Buckley would probably do a good job - but being out of the systen for so long surely hurts him. To me he represents the old ways before the new came through (in coaching style and game plan etc).

The talk of him not being interested / interested in Tassie to me is just about looking after his brand - which is fair enough in my opinion. If he missed out when he's wanting the role, then it hurts his chances at Tassie (or anywhere else). But if he says we're not the right fit, it means it doesn't damage his reputation. For that reason I think he has to hedge his bets until he knows he's across the line - to me, he seems VERY keen.

All those close losses can tell a story. The optimists might look at the losses and imagine that if we reversed the results, we'd be vying for a finals spot

But to me it reflects the players mindset ... we've forgotten how to win or more importantly, we're not hungry for success

Self satisfied, sitting back and expecting others to lead the way. And once that type of thinking happens regularly, it's hard to reverse the process

So alternatively, those close losses can be one step away from losing those same games by bigger margins. The opposition will know that we wilt and will put their foot down accordingly

The new coach will need to turn the mindset around as well as employing a modern style. So it's a big job not solved with a magic wand

Our biggest issues are above the shoulders as we are prone to choking in front of goal and choking when we're in a position to win games

An example is Neal-Bullen. He was a very good player for us but he looks an even better player at the Crows. He looks really confident and there is a surity and poise with his disposals

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

An example is Neal-Bullen. He was a very good player for us but he looks an even better player at the Crows. He looks really confident and there is a surity and poise with his disposals

eh?

he's playing the exact same role for them as he did for us

absolutely vital for a good side

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

An example is Neal-Bullen. He was a very good player for us but he looks an even better player at the Crows. He looks really confident and there is a surity and poise with his disposals

I agree, He looks fit as a fiddle and he's causing damage and kicking some nice goals for them

1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

eh?

he's playing the exact same role for them as he did for us

absolutely vital for a good side

Yeah sure, we know that

It's how he is going about it. Taking a lot of chances with his disposals but with more confidence, suriy and poise

Did you actually read my post?

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Yeah sure, we know that

It's how he is going about it. Taking a lot of chances with his disposals but with more confidence, suriy and poise

Did you actually read my post?

he's no better, no worse for the crom than he was for us

perhaps yr perception is that you negatively assess his mfc performances in comparison with his efforts for the crom?

2 minutes ago, Hellfire Dub said:

I agree, He looks fit as a fiddle and he's causing damage and kicking some nice goals for them

It's a small sample size but nonetheless, a good example of a freed up mind

So those who pointed the finger at Goodwin are only partly right. The players are also accountable and are free to think for themselves out on the field

As for the FD, we needed to make a number of changes but it looks like only Williams & Goodwin have borne the brunt

3 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

he's no better, no worse for the crom than he was for us

perhaps yr perception is that you negatively assess his mfc performances in comparison with his efforts for the crom?

You don't read posts properly and are prone to the red mist

So no, you're just wrong with your appraisal

Did you read the bit where I said Neal-Bullen was a very good player for us?

Not sure you watch the games properly. Neal-Bullen has improved his game

And can you use proper grammar and capital letters when applicable. You're not 12 years old are you?

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

You don't read posts properly and are prone to the red mist

So no, you're just wrong with your appraisal

Did you read the bit where I said Neal-Bullen was a very good player for us?

Not sure you watch the games properly. Neal-Bullen has improved his game

And can you use proper grammar and capital letters when applicable. You're not 12 years old are you?

yr not the boss of me now and yr not so big

i dispute yr assertion that he looks 'even better' for the crom than he did for us; he looks essentially the same to me, playing the same role for a near identical output, from a team involvement, statistical, and leadership perspective

i think we can agree we miss him

3 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

Nonsense

16 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

yr not the boss of me now and yr not so big

i dispute yr assertion that he looks 'even better' for the crom than he did for us; he looks essentially the same to me, playing the same role for a near identical output, from a team involvement, statistical, and leadership perspective

i think we can agree we miss him

God do we ever. Miss his intensity and pressure. Miss his hard running and spread. Miss his leadership. Went from whipping boy to one of our most consistent players.

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by Young Blood

29 minutes ago, Macca said:

You don't read posts properly and are prone to the red mist........

....

And can you use proper grammar and capital letters when applicable. You're not 12 years old are you?

You forgot the comma in the last sentence.

9 minutes ago, sue said:

You forgot the comma in the last sentence.

Ha!

Some here may as well be posting up in Hieroglyphics style

It's lazy so I just skim past, most of the time. As do many others, I suspect

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by Macca