soccer for recovery has nothing on having the main session and then getting on a plane for 3 hours 2 sleeps before a game. sheer lunacy.

1 hour ago, old dee said:

I hope Kentfield With a solid year at Casey can be a worthy player at senior level in 2026. The players who were in front of him have fallen by the wayside. A position is his for the taken if he is good enough.

I heard someone say that Kentfield has some self-doubt. I hope that drives him to work harder. Sometimes those that are their own toughest critics are the ones that succeed.

It was interesting to see that along with Tracc, he makes use of his time constructively in the Recovery runs.

53 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

And you pick that up From the open Goschs park training sessions. I’m assuming you don’t attend the closed sessions at Casey or when they’re doing their indoor stuff? We are not a top 4 team ..could def push top 8 if we can keep the forward line together for more than a week & we finally get some reward on the scoreboard. That will come but overall I’m def see small improvements every week. With the composition of our team that’s a positive. We are definitely in a development year and we have more positives than negatives…

I'm not sure what you are alluding to about me "picking up"? You mean, thinking that social outings twice a week appears a waste of the players time. What other professional team is using that approach?

No I don't attend at Casey, though I have viewed the main trainings when at Gosch's.

I am giving my opinion, which are coloured by my experiences in life and observation, I am often wrong.

I am more optimistic than you. I reckon we can still beat any team on our day. We have the potential, but the club is not getting the best out of the squad. That's my frustration. Too many of our players have gone backwards in ability or application. (At least we don't hear the rhetoric of culture and brand this season)

I see there is something wrong, and voice that. Again, I may be wrong. Would you rather me hold back, because it doesn't suit your agenda?

Finding a better balance between whip cracking and treating them as self guiding, would be my approach.

As some have told me, " the club nearly own these players". All that control, could lead to much better outcomes on the field.

We have missed our opportunity this year.

Time for the club to change it up.

Edited May 13May 13 by Kev

6 minutes ago, Kev said:

I'm not sure what you are alluding to about me "picking up"? You mean, thinking that social outings twice a week appears a waste of the players time. What other professional team is using that approach?

No I don't attend at Casey, though I have viewed the main trainings when at Gosch's.

I am giving my opinion, which are coloured by my experiences in life and observation, I am often wrong.

I am more optimistic than you. I reckon we can still beat any team on our day. We have the potential, but the club is not getting the best out of the squad. That's my frustration. Too many of our players have gone backwards in ability or application. (At least we don't hear the rhetoric of culture and brand this season)

I see there is something wrong, and voice that. Again, I may be wrong. Would you rather me hold back, because it doesn't suit your agenda?

Finding a better balance between whip cracking and treating them as self guiding, would be my approach.

As some have told me, "club nearly own these players". All that control, could lead to much better outcomes on the field.

Time for the club to change it up.

I think Goodwin and the coaches will need a lot to go right to not be looking for work at year’s end. It kind of feels like a “changing of the guard” moment is coming. To their credit they’ve been addressing the team’s weaknesses through the draft. I’ll take my hat off to Goodwin for this. Many clubs have traded out picks for older players to fit the system. We have done the opposite and I actually think our young talent is as good as any going around. It’s why I thought we’d be better this year.

2 hours ago, Kev said:

You mean, thinking that social outings twice a week appears a waste of the players time. What other professional team is using that approach?

All of them.

Though you describing them as "social outings" only reinforces how out of touch you are with the realities and demands of high-level professional sport.

It's not 1950 anymore.

13 minutes ago, bing181 said:

All of them.

Though you describing them as "social outings" only reinforces how out of touch you are with the realities and demands of high-level professional sport.

It's not 1950 anymore.

Pretty disrespectful way to speak to one of the few posters who actually attends training frequently and provides valuable updates.

And he’s right, our training schedule this year is different to all other 17 clubs. I thought this was common knowledge?

51 minutes ago, bing181 said:

All of them.

Though you describing them as "social outings" only reinforces how out of touch you are with the realities and demands of high-level professional sport.

It's not 1950 anymore.

I have to describe the Recovery and Captain's run as something other than a structured, purposeful session. I think they are trying to make more genuine friendships within the group, hoping that gets them helping each other, causing connection. I believe the strategy just hasn't worked.

What would you call it?

I am nobody, rarely in touch, just giving an impression of the training that others cannot attend. Being in Europe, at least you get an idea of my impressions, and though you may disagree with my assumptions, you are left, maybe a little wiser.

What has 1950 got to do with it? What happened in the 1950's? You think most the high achievers at that time, didn't work hard.

What is your connection to high level professionals?

I know the industries that require you to be a high achiever are cut-throat, all based on outcomes, and easily disposed of.

Edited May 13May 13 by Kev

My belief is everytime you step on a field with a footy and the squad, you should be switched on. Otherwise, it leads to poor body memory patterns and habits, and mental lapses may occur when attempting to perform at high levels. You know, like how we use a bedroom. If it is not primarily used for sleep, then that will effect your quality of sleep as the body knows what is expected of it, those unconscious expectations.

Play as you train.

I'm not saying have no fun as that helps stay relaxed.

Edited May 13May 13 by Kev

10 minutes ago, Kev said:

My belief is everytime you step on a field with a footy and the squad, you should be switched on. Otherwise, it leads to poor body memory patterns and habits, and mental lapses may occur when attempting to perform at high levels. You know, like how we use a bedroom. If it is not primarily used for sleep, then that will effect your quality of sleep as the body knows what is expected of it, those unconscious expectations.

Play as you train.

I'm not saying have no fun as that helps stay relaxed.

Go Kev. You’ve got my vote.

6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

If we were 7-2 they could play soccer all week. it's not the soccer it's the fact we are so poor in our F50 we should be practising all the time when we're on the track. I get the whole wind down and relax but sheesh if I was coach they'd be no relaxing until our F50's improved markedly. It's not like it's a new problem, you know, we've had the same issue holding us back for 3 1/2 years now.

Comment of the day. Granted they have to watch loads and all but figure out a way to practise f50 connection in a load abiding way.

As for flush run or relaxing they have 30 other hours in the week to do this. When you are on the park use the time wisely.

10 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

Further because the main weekly training session is at Casey we’ve no idea what they are doing there. We don’t know what they are doing indoors. We’ve too little information to judge.

I would say the ladder is a pretty good indicator to judge how our overall training is going.

We are currently bottom four and leave ourselves open to criticism for pretty much anything. Particularly we have areas of the game we have seen the same issues for years.

Just a question for all the track watchers is Oliver better at tagging or soccer?

On 12/05/2025 at 22:51, Jjrogan said:

Or is it, as i assume, a bunch of guys having random set shots from different positions and going yea i kicked around 25 out of 40 today. Not bad, time for the sheds.

Your run-of-the-mill golf pro will want to record your swing (scary!) for $60/30min. Makes the description of goal kicking rather amateurish.

10 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

Your run-of-the-mill golf pro will want to record your swing (scary!) for $60/30min. Makes the description of goal kicking rather amateurish.

Or do you mark out 10 spots for them to kick from and no one finishes until they kick the 10 in a row?

On 12/05/2025 at 22:51, Jjrogan said:

Im very curious. When they do these goal kicking drills, do they have a coach or assistant next to them with an ipad or pen/ paper and recording distance, accuracy, angle. In the NFL, qb throws during practice are measured for rotation, accuracy, distamce etc. It builds a database and then when tweaks are made to routine or technique the outputs can be compared and analysed. I'm sure the same happens for golf swings or putting. Or is it, as i assume, a bunch of guys having random set shots from different positions and going yea i kicked around 25 out of 40 today. Not bad, time for the sheds.

Id love to be wrong, and that someone is actually tracking kick for kick and measuring if we are getting better in practice (which is the first step in getting better in game). It cost absolutely SFA to have an assistant watching and recording this stuff. It also builds a database knowing which guys are good from which pockets, angles and distance which can help in a game day situation.

I once visited the VIS where the Dogs were doing kicking drills. They were wired up and their motions were recorded on to a computer where they were analysed. Everything was measured from their run-up, leg angle, foot position, ball drop etc etc.

Very comprehensive.

I assumed most clubs do this at some point to get fundamentals right but It is not a skill that has improved over time And the fatigue involved these day probably compounds the problem.

Ignoring the problem wont fix it so you'd hope there is something going on at the club re this.

I asked Grok to tell me the number of times that a team scores a) at least 10 goals, b) has more goals than behinds and c) loses the game,

It did a bunch of analysis (albeit not having access to the data set) and estimated 12 times in the past 25 years.

It's a pretty important part of the game.

9 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

I asked Grok to tell me the number of times that a team scores a) at least 10 goals, b) has more goals than behinds and c) loses the game,

It did a bunch of analysis (albeit not having access to the data set) and estimated 12 times in the past 25 years.

It's a pretty important part of the game.

Its happened 12 times in the past month. Grok is cooked.

Having access to the data set is a pretty important part of AI analysis! 😛

2 hours ago, Jjrogan said:

Its happened 12 times in the past month. Grok is cooked.

Having access to the data set is a pretty important part of AI analysis! 😛

Ah OK then!

AI has a way to go :)

On 14/05/2025 at 11:14, Jjrogan said:

Its happened 12 times in the past month. Grok is cooked.

Having access to the data set is a pretty important part of AI analysis! 😛

Could have been worse...

On 14/05/2025 at 11:03, jnrmac said:

I asked Grok to tell me the number of times that a team scores a) at least 10 goals, b) has more goals than behinds and c) loses the game,

It did a bunch of analysis (albeit not having access to the data set) and estimated 12 times in the past 25 years.

It's a pretty important part of the game.

7 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Could have been worse...

Asking a question from Gronk and expecting a sensible answer? Yeh nah! ...